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Old 02-10-2018, 04:51 PM
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Just wondering who's going to any of these events. I am just curious who I may finally meet after reading all the posts on this site all winter.

Nick Garrott Speaking. ..MSSA Broadneck/Magothy #10 Chapter Meeting, American Legion Post #175, 832 Manhattan Beach Rd, Severna Park, MD at 7:30p.m. Skip Zinck

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Nick is a member here.
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Nick is a member here.
I've been chatting with Nick about it already. Looking forward to meeting some of the fisherman in the area.
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Old 02-12-2018, 06:35 PM
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I'll be at the Annapolis Expo on the 24th since I am the lead coordinator for this event. My name is Kevin and I spend a fair amount of time in the Seminar Room where I introduce the Speakers and Moderate the Panel Discussion on Light Tackle Fishing. I'd love to meet some of the Anglers on this board say please say hello if you get a chance. There is a half hour between Seminars and I will be one of two guys carrying a clipboard. I'm looking forward to meeting you and many others at this popular event. Kevin
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Figured all of these events would be gone after the MSSA embezzlement news.
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Old 02-13-2018, 08:46 AM
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I'm going to the Saltwater Expo. They have always had top notch speakers. Plus its a good opportunity to pick up Bay and Ocean gear before the season hits hard.

The MSSA has been a pillar organization for a long time. I'm sure they will sort out the bad apples and return to a great angler organization.
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After doing some homework on this, my understanding is that no money raised by the local chapters goes to that "main office", which was my concern.

Now that I know that, I don't mind supporting the local chapters because a) they do good things in our community and b) if the mssa ends up in the chitter, I think the need for a MD based recreational organization remains, and it stands to reason that the bulk of it's initial membership will come from displaced mssa members. So if I can help support my local fishing club (which is how I'm looking at it), I feel like I need to do that.

Just how I'm looking at it.
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Old 02-20-2018, 05:39 AM
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Curious if the MSSA fishing tournaments are still on for this year? And where to find information for registration / contact info?

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Old 02-20-2018, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by reefreeler View Post
Curious if the MSSA fishing tournaments are still on for this year? And where to find information for registration / contact info?

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I've heard from a couple people who are fairly involved with the MSSA, that the Spring tournament is cancelled.
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Old 02-22-2018, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by buckshotgumbo View Post
After doing some homework on this, my understanding is that no money raised by the local chapters goes to that "main office", which was my concern.

Now that I know that, I don't mind supporting the local chapters because a) they do good things in our community and b) if the mssa ends up in the chitter, I think the need for a MD based recreational organization remains, and it stands to reason that the bulk of it's initial membership will come from displaced mssa members. So if I can help support my local fishing club (which is how I'm looking at it), I feel like I need to do that.

Just how I'm looking at it.
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Thanks for your support. I wish I knew more details but I also realize that the investigative process needs to run it's due course. In the mean time, we have been encouraged to carry on with our normal Chapter Activities including the Annapolis Saltwater Fishing Expo this Saturday without any obligations to the Main Office. We raise funds at this event that enable us to host events later in the year that give back to the greater Annapolis Fishing Community. The $5 cost of admission is very reasonable in my opinion if you attend only one Seminar or shop with one of your favorite Vendors. All of the Vendors are inside so the potential for showers does not impact their ability to display or your opportunity to shop for the upcoming season. Plus the Elks Lodge is a very nice facility with a great Lunch Menu at reasonable prices with a full bar service.
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Old 02-23-2018, 09:38 AM
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Kevin, I wish you guys the best of luck with your event, and even more so, with getting through this mess.

I've heard several times that the local chapters should be fine with regards to having their accts hit.
But I've also heard, from what I consider to be reliable sources, that it still remains uncertain if this is actually true.
So, I posted on another site, one which I know to be monitored by those close to the eye of this sh!tstorm, asking if anyone can unequivocally state that the local chapters assets were safe from seizure.
No response.
In the face of the mssa still promoting events, I found my question to be a logical one. One that I expect to be on the minds of, well, pretty much everyone.

It seems to me that an actual statement answering this pressing question is warranted BEFORE continued marketing.
Not from past presidents or others saying, "they should be fine", but an actual statement from the President of the mssa or it's lawyers stating fact.
Because to continue to push the chapter shows before this is answered not only hurts the local chapters (because I for one will not be spending money at an mssa event until it is), but it also only lends to the perception of the mssa's continued lack of... direction.

I would imagine there will be those within the org that aren't going to appreciate this post.
Well, call your president and light a fire under their ass to get ahead of at least SOME of this sh!tshow.
Don't get pissed at me. I'm just typing what everyone is thinking.
I've got a pocket full of cash and I'm itching to spend it at a tackle show.
But until I get a statement from the mssa saying you guys are safe, I'll buy direct.
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Originally Posted by buckshotgumbo View Post
Kevin, I wish you guys the best of luck with your event, and even more so, with getting through this mess.

I've heard several times that the local chapters should be fine with regards to having their accts hit.
But I've also heard, from what I consider to be reliable sources, that it still remains uncertain if this is actually true.
So, I posted on another site, one which I know to be monitored by those close to the eye of this sh!tstorm, asking if anyone can unequivocally state that the local chapters assets were safe from seizure.
No response.
In the face of the mssa still promoting events, I found my question to be a logical one. One that I expect to be on the minds of, well, pretty much everyone.

It seems to me that an actual statement answering this pressing question is warranted BEFORE continued marketing.
Not from past presidents or others saying, "they should be fine", but an actual statement from the President of the mssa or it's lawyers stating fact.
Because to continue to push the chapter shows before this is answered not only hurts the local chapters (because I for one will not be spending money at an mssa event until it is), but it also only lends to the perception of the mssa's continued lack of... direction.

I would imagine there will be those within the org that aren't going to appreciate this post.
Well, call your president and light a fire under their ass to get ahead of at least SOME of this sh!tshow.
Don't get pissed at me. I'm just typing what everyone is thinking.
I've got a pocket full of cash and I'm itching to spend it at a tackle show.
But until I get a statement from the mssa saying you guys are safe, I'll buy direct.
The two chapters that I checked on (Kent Island and Annapolis) are registered as separate entities in Maryland. Both are registered under Maryland law. LLC or Corp. This means they stand on their own.

The one cloud is what they signed with the main MSSA as chapters and is not recorded in their declaration.
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I haven’t found any IRS filings with MSSA. Maybe looking in the wrong areas?
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Old 02-26-2018, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by scottdd1 View Post
I haven’t found any IRS filings with MSSA. Maybe looking in the wrong areas?
Considering that Dave Smith evidently handled every single financial transaction completely free from oversight, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if the mssa hadn't filed since about 2011.

Sketchy f#cker... Wasn't it in about 2011 that he got caught doctoring letters from the DNR Fisheries Director?
If you've got somebody working for you that's willing to do some shady stuff like that, you're gonna want to keep an eye on him...
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The smaller local MSSA may be a pure as driven snow. And no doubt they are manned by some quality people that give of their time and money and obviously care about the resource.

BUT, my .02 is they should change their name and or start over with a new entity. One that has open financials on like page 2 of a web site.

As good or as deserving as the local Chapters may be I would never support one or entertain an event with MSSA attached to it.

There is no way with this much time gone by someone or some core group should have come out and said this is what happened, this what law enforcement is doing, this is what we are doing going forward, this is how we are going to protect your donations and guarantee they get to the right place to help the resource we all love.
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The smaller local MSSA may be a pure as driven snow. And no doubt they are manned by some quality people that give of their time and money and obviously care about the resource.

BUT, my .02 is they should change their name and or start over with a new entity. One that has open financials on like page 2 of a web site.

As good or as deserving as the local Chapters may be I would never support one or entertain an event with MSSA attached to it.

There is no way with this much time gone by someone or some core group should have come out and said this is what happened, this what law enforcement is doing, this is what we are doing going forward, this is how we are going to protect your donations and guarantee they get to the right place to help the resource we all love.
Your last paragraph requires LEADERSHIP, something they are sorely lacking and I agree with your first part as well. Anything remotely associated with MSSA, either in name or function, I will steer clear. Dave Smith helped to damage their image with many people while he robbed the members blind.

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Isn't the MSSA HQ board made up of the local chapter presidents?

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I believe it is.
I'm not involved in the org closely enough to know the hows, why's and when's.
But as board members, unfortunately it would seem that the chapter presidents are culpable in this. It remains to be seen how much so, as I know that many chapter presidents hadn't been at the position for very long at all.
That said, and again, I don't know the details about the organizational hierarchy, but I would expect that there is some semblance of an executive board committee, which would logically include the president (a paid position?), secretary, treasurer, etc.
So, although it wouldn't surprise me to know that the bulk of the board didn't have their finger on the pulse as far as the financial details are concerned, it does surprise me to learn that members of the executive committee were so clueless.

I mean, just this past fall the president sent a letter to the membership asking for cash donations due to the mssa's financial hardships.
Usually when an organization is in financial trouble, the first thing you do is crack the books.
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Originally Posted by buckshotgumbo View Post
I believe it is.
I'm not involved in the org closely enough to know the hows, why's and when's.
But as board members, unfortunately it would seem that the chapter presidents are culpable in this. It remains to be seen how much so, as I know that many chapter presidents hadn't been at the position for very long at all.
That said, and again, I don't know the details about the organizational hierarchy, but I would expect that there is some semblance of an executive board committee, which would logically include the president (a paid position?), secretary, treasurer, etc.
So, although it wouldn't surprise me to know that the bulk of the board didn't have their finger on the pulse as far as the financial details are concerned, it does surprise me to learn that members of the executive committee were so clueless.

I mean, just this past fall the president sent a letter to the membership asking for cash donations due to the mssa's financial hardships.
Usually when an organization is in financial trouble, the first thing you do is crack the books.
I have run a couple of 501c3's in past years and the one thing that was always a must, was a yearly hands on audit by a committee. This protects everyone.

I can't believe the board was so dumb as to let one man run the whole show.
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I haven’t found any IRS filings with MSSA. Maybe looking in the wrong areas?
IIRC MSSA wasn't exactly a full 501c3. Maybe 501c? So they could be involved in political BS.

A 501c3 can't.

In 2014 MSSA changed their name from MARYLAND SALTWATER SPORTSFISHERMAN'S ASSN., INC.

to MARYLAND SALTWATER SPORTFISHING ASSOCIATION, INC

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