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Old 11-10-2017, 03:48 PM   #1
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Default CBF bus ride to ASMFC menhaden meeting (updates)

We are on the home stretch here. Dont slack off now. Surprised no one has mentioned this yet. Hope to see some of you on the bus.
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Old 11-12-2017, 04:37 PM   #2
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They have room still. Just show up at one of the locations and hop on. This is the big show
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How did things pan out?
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ASMFC Menhaden Management Board Misses Historic Opportunity
Management body caves with vote to maintain failed management of menhaden

Presented with the historic opportunity to put in place much-needed protections for menhaden that recognize their ecological role, the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission’s Menhaden Management Board blinked, and instead opted for status quo management. In the months leading up to the vote, public sentiment was overwhelmingly in favor of better menhaden management, with more than 150,000 public comments in favor of Option E that would have taken into account menhaden’s unique ecological role as a forage fish.

“This decision by the Menhaden Management Board is simply shocking,” said Richen Brame, Regional Fisheries Director for Coastal Conservation Association. “The Board had a historic opportunity to positively impact not just the management of menhaden but also the future of iconic species such as striped bass, bluefish, king mackerel as well as a host of birds and marine mammals. Today’s vote was a misguided step in the wrong direction, and really a step back in time when it comes to marine resource management.”

Menhaden are a primary forage species whose role in the ecosystem is to convert sunlight into protein. Their primary ecological attribute is their abundance, which provides a ready source of forage for a host of marine predators. The battle over menhaden essentially came to a showdown between those who see a need for more conservative management of menhaden as forage, versus the menhaden reduction industry, which has a vested interest in allowing the largest harvest levels possible. Omega Protein is the last industrial harvester of menhaden on the East Coast and takes millions of pounds of menhaden every year, primarily from the Chesapeake Bay and surrounding waters.

“This is one of those events that will cause the public to lose a lot of faith in this management process,” said David Sikorski, executive director of CCA Maryland. “When you have that kind of public outcry and a growing realization that intense local harvest of the forage base is impacting the health of other species in Chesapeake Bay, one of the largest estuaries in the world, and still nothing changes, it leaves the public feeling completely shut out of the management process.”

There were a suite of management options proposed in Amendment 3 that would set reference points, some of which would recognize the ecological role of menhaden as a keystone prey species for marine predators. The vote boiled down to a choice between Option B and Option E. Option B represented status quo management in which menhaden would continue to be managed as a single species without recognizing its true ecological role. Option E would have emphasized the role of menhaden as an abundant prey species. The ASMFC Menhaden Board adopted Option B by a vote of 16-2.
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Kicked the can down the road again, after 20 yrs. “we are going to have new data to use in 2019.” Very disappointed in representation by the VA delegation. After holding a public hearing at MRC and it was loud and clear how VA wanted to be represented in favor of option “E.” O’Reilly, essentially says...”I have been doing this for 30 yrs, I know what’s best,” in his support of the status quo. I wish we could have representation by someone who actually spends considerable time on the water and sees what is going on as opposed to bureaucrats that study reports all day with statistical variances you can drive a truck through and think they know what is happening.
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Man.... That really sucks....
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:33 AM   #7
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It is really lame. Economic impact of sportfishing is huge in Maryland and Virginia and Menhaden are critical to success for all species of the bay. Too bad status quo is not going to work and things most likely don't change until things species crash.
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Looks like we got good news in day 2. Curious how the other issues were resolved as well


“Just now, the AMSFC management board voted (14-2) to lower the Bay Cap to 51,000 mt with no rollovers today! That is a 41% decrease from the current cap.

This was CBF’s second most important issue and a huge victory in helping to protect the ecological balance of the Chesapeake Bay.”

Not sure how big of a win this really is, as I thought I heard it’s about what they had been catching in the Bay the last few years as they simply can’t find anymore in the Bay to vacuum up.
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Btw, had a pretty good turn out of about 3 dozen for the bus ride.
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Just now, the AMSFC management board voted (14-2) to lower the Bay Cap to 51,000 mt with no rollovers today! That is a 41% decrease from the current cap.

This was CBFs second most important issue and a huge victory in helping to protect the ecological balance of the Chesapeake Bay.

Not sure how big of a win this really is, as I thought I heard its about what they had been catching in the Bay the last few years as they simply cant find anymore in the Bay to vacuum up.
Extremely disappointed in the ERP / Option E. Why do they even bother asking the public for input when it is just totally ignored? Rob O'Reilly is just a bag man following orders for 30 years. He knows he is doing the wrong thing for Virginia but if he doesn't follow orders he risks losing his job. I am pleased with the reduction in the bay cap. Thanks to all who fought the good fight.
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It all makes sense now, the fix was in to raise the quota from the get go. Therefore, they could not make it obvious they were hypocrites by supporting option “E” which would put them on a path to a 147,000 mt quota and then turn around and raise it to 216,000 mt as they did yesterday. 14-1, guess who voted against it? VA, because they were objecting to the fact that VA was not getting enough of the increase! As MRC commissioner John Bull says in the paper today. Each state was granted a minimum of .5%. No typo, that is one half of one percent. VA already gets 80% of the east coast quota. Greedy, corrupt bastards. Threw us the Bay cap bone to chew on for a couple years, while they come up with another rigged show.
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Thanks for the time to support the cause Mike and others. Very frustrating result. All we can hope is that the opposition continues to grow and future data helps the cause. Perhaps that and the replacement of some of the Omega fleet with boats that are more capable to make longer runs (this was rumored in the meeting in Newport News a few months back). Our representatives are in place to protect the citizens and our resources from outside forces that have no obligation or motivation to preserve. Instead, a portion of the income Omega takes in that could pay the gas bill to run out further is lining the pockets of the representatives.
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Unfortunately the solicitation for public comment and the public meetings are merely formalities....
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So does the 41% reduction in cap mean the crab bait catch will also be reduced the same?

If so. It looks like Maryland will lose jobs, and trickle down revenue from crab business all over the state.

Nice job rec fishermen. The reduction industry are not the only businesses that use menhaden.

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Unfortunately the solicitation for public comment and the public meetings are merely formalities....
As are the Advisory Commissions.
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Why can't they put this to a public vote via fishing license applications? Like they do the FIN numbers and what not.

I can't wrap my head around how these people consistently vote in favor of Omega when there is so much data and facts suggesting that it's doing more harm than good.
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So does the 41% reduction in cap mean the crab bait catch will also be reduced the same?

If so. It looks like Maryland will lose jobs, and trickle down revenue from crab business all over the state.

Nice job rec fishermen. The reduction industry are not the only businesses that use menhaden.
Like Mike said, the reduction in the Bay quota essentially matches current yield from the Bay in recent years. That piece is window dressing and is not likely to impact anything.
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Why can't they put this to a public vote via fishing license applications? Like they do the FIN numbers and what not.

I can't wrap my head around how these people consistently vote in favor of Omega when there is so much data and facts suggesting that it's doing more harm than good.
Because THEY THINK, they know what is best for us and the bay ..
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Because THEY THINK, they know what is best for us and the bay ..
Maybe they do.

The people of Virginia let the menhaden problem drag on and on, when the obvious answer is a state law. Other states have done it.
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Maybe they do.

The people of Virginia let the menhaden problem drag on and on, when the obvious answer is a state law. Other states have done it.
As much as I LOVE Virginia having lived there for a few years, it seems that they're always the last to get on board with anything of this nature.
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