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Old 08-17-2020, 06:38 AM
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I been on charters before (ifishing with captain Greg) and we had an understanding that we keep whatever we plan to eat and throw back fish that may be legal but not exactly the size we're targeting. I guess the point was, just because you can keep fish didn't mean we did. I follow most of the charters in the area just to see what's going on around the bay, but when I saw this I was a little shocked. IMO there is no reason to keep that many fish. Am I out of line?

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08-20-2020, 03:39 PM
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Hey man thank you for sharing my pictures we certainly had some fun on those trips! I did want to answer your question though on all of our charters we only have a few rules / goals have fun , stay safe, and catch , keep only what your going to use as we hate to see anything go to waste. It’s the middle of summer catch and release mortality is at its highest and well mackerel on the troll typically do not have much neck strength left after being hooked nor do bluefish so we don’t practice catch and release on them at all. Hope everyone is having fun out there chasing our summer visitors and looking forward to seeing y’all out there.



oh yeah the picture of the 64 macs and the 10 person group we came in early as they were more than happy with the catch and didn’t need or want anymore
Old 08-17-2020, 06:57 AM
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Did they exceed catch limits?

How do you know they are not going to be eaten? I vacuum pack and freeze my Spanish and rock and eat it up to nearly a year later.

I see quite a few people in some of those pictures to split a lot of small fish between.

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Old 08-17-2020, 07:26 AM
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Agreed, bottom right is ~60 fish for 10 guys, 6 fish per family isn't that much, might get a meal off of that and no freezer stocking.
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Originally Posted by soccerguy83 View Post
Agreed, bottom right is ~60 fish for 10 guys, 6 fish per family isn't that much, might get a meal off of that and no freezer stocking.
I'm counting at least 10 fish per person in at least 2 of the pictures. Assuming at least 2 people are related that's 20 fish per family. I can hardly fit 4 fish in my freezer let alone 20.

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10 small fish per person/family is not that much. Maybe they get a couple three meals out of it. What's the issue?
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
10 small fish per person/family is not that much. Maybe they get a couple three meals out of it. What's the issue?
20 fish per family... I have 3 kids a mother and father in law. 4 fish is hard enough to take care of in a week. Not saying those people can't, just saying it would be stretch especially with googans. The main point is the charters encouraging keeping of everything. Some of those fish will end up in the garbage.
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I agree with op. When I fish I enjoy the sport of it more than anything. I will keep about 2 to three fish for myself and I am happy. A great guide once told me who is now my mentor for my new guide business said it’s more about the sport than the food aspect. As a captain you are expected to but “blood on the deck” but what about the experience and teaching your clients about knots gear and the watershed you are fishing and need to survive on. This is how we got to the va regulations we have now on rockfish.
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You'll see limits on macks, and who will the blame? The recs.
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I understand where you're coming from and for a lot of guys the metrics for success (and marketing) is catching a full limit. Some of those captains will go out just to catch the limit and go in as soon as that is accomplished.

Legally they aren't wrong for keeping what the laws dictate, but when you see that many fish on deck the impulse reaction is - damn, that's a ton of fish. But, when you actually consider the fact that these charter parties are a.) fairly large, and b.) fishing/hiring professional captains pretty infrequently, it suddenly doesn't seem too detrimental in the larger picture.

Personally, I don't see the point in keeping a limit just for the sake of saying you did. Common sense tells me to only keep what I plan to eat, but as you know, common sense isn't all that common. Just because the law says you can doesn't mean you should...
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Originally Posted by drumsfield View Post
20 fish per family... I have 3 kids a mother and father in law. 4 fish is hard enough to take care of in a week. Not saying those people can't, just saying it would be stretch especially with googans. The main point is the charters encouraging keeping of everything. Some of those fish will end up in the garbage.
maybe some do, but I am not going to presume I know what happens to all of the fish caught in these pictures.

I have a freezer full but does that mean I cant keep any more fish?

It isn't up to the charters to set regulations. They have paying customers that want to catch and keep fish and so long as they are following the rules of the road, rules put in place by fisheries management - like them or not - I dont see the issue.

That does not mean I agree with wasteful discard, to the contrary. There's a lot I dont like about how the fishery is managed, but that doesnt make me right and I am not going to put the blame at the feet of a charter captain for doing what he was hired to do.

If you do not agree with the regulations take it up with the appropriate agency.
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
It isn't up to the charters to set regulations. They have paying customers that want to catch and keep fish and so long as they are following the rules of the road, rules put in place by fisheries management - like them or not - I dont see the issue.
Yea, the charter captain has the legal right to pack as many fish as they can in the boat. It probably make them look like a champ to any googan willing to pay for a trip. But is that the right thing to do? Probably not considering the way things are headed with the fisheries. Have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. That's all I was pointing out.

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Originally Posted by drumsfield View Post
Yea, the charter captain has the legal right to pack as many fish as they can in the boat. It probably make them look like a champ to any googan willing to pay for a trip. But is that the right thing to do? Probably not considering the way things are headed with the fisheries. Have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. That's all I was pointing out.
No, the charter captain doesnt have the right to pack as many fish as he can in the boat. But they can legally keep what the regulations allow and there is no moral equivalency test to do so.

Fish shaming charter captains because you do not agree with them following the guidelines in-place doe not do anything to advance your cause. Taking your cause and petioning the regulatory agencies is one way to do that.

You asked for opinions and whether you are 'out of line,' but it is clear you weren't really looking for opinions, at least not dissenting opinions.

Btw, I hate the notion of wasting a resource or the thought that fish might be killed for marketing purposes.
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with a legal limit of fish especially on a charter boat where that limit of fish easily worked out to well over $ 10.00 per lb
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with a legal limit of fish especially on a charter boat where that limit of fish easily worked out to well over $ 10.00 per lb
That has nothing to do with it either way. No one fishes because it's cheaper to catch them than to buy them! :>)
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
Taking your cause and petioning the regulatory agencies is one way to do that.
lol like that's ever worked... was I shaming? Never occurred to me. But seems like in this day and age that's more effective than petitioning.


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Originally Posted by Timex View Post
I see absolutely nothing wrong with a legal limit of fish especially on a charter boat where that limit of fish easily worked out to well over $ 10.00 per lb
Nothing legally wrong. Morally? that's another matter.
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As long as they match the limit to the boat/person.
Then as long as they eat all the fish I think its ok.

Many people distribute fish to their family.
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There's a lot to worry about in this world.......but worrying causes pre-mature aging. Just pointing that out. Not to mention, I'm pretty confident in the folks that study these things day in/day out and set those daily limits. Not condoning it, but the older I get the more I realize that some things just aren't worth pre-mature aging over.
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A better set of pics to make your case would be of the captain (or the charter crew) tossing the fish into a dumpster, rather than presuming so.
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Caught one mack on Saturday.Will be enough until next year.Not my favorite.

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