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Old 07-08-2020, 11:20 AM
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There needs to be a higher penalty for egregious acts like these two articles present. No wonder the Striper population is in such peril.

https://chesapeakebaymagazine.com/me...altimore-pier/

https://chesapeakebaymagazine.com/nj...ized-rockfish/

And these are the few that have been caught. There are countless others out there that do this type of thing all the time & will continue to do so until they are caught.
Old 07-08-2020, 01:14 PM
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$2000 fine on the case in Baltimore seems pretty weak to me. Hopefully the defund the police movement doesn’t hurt conservation or marine police.
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Fine should increase with each fish. First fish $2,000. Second $3,000 and so on... after word gets around of how high these go, maybe people will stop doing it? The "red light camera" tickets are doing a pretty good job. My son got 3 in 1 week (they come by mail 2 weeks laters), then never had another one!
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Absolutely these people should be punished to the full extent of the law & be made an example to others that would do the same.
however & in saying this I have nothing against legal commercial fishing. A good friend of mine is a commercial fisherman & while the recreational rockfish trophy season is closed in VA the commercial fishery is not & earlier this season I saw the docks covered with rockfish big as your leg every one of em swelled up with thousands of eggs in em. So in reality those 50-60 illegal fish are just a drop in the bucket. Compared to the real problem
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We used to call it: The Third World Fishing Tournament.
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Old 07-08-2020, 06:56 PM
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DNR are the asshats, saying Since was late couldn’t donate the fish for food,guess never heard of ice and cooler until next morning,said that dumped them back in the water and sure weren’t alive....

but it should have fined the chit out of them and confiscated boat and gear also
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I wonder if they will actually show up for court...
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And the kettle calls the pot black..
Old 07-09-2020, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KPHuss View Post
And the kettle calls the pot black..
50 fish is bit different than 1 ... just sayin
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Yeah el speaka na English happens all the time fellas. I know of a guy who was caught with over 20 big rockfish during spring season. He paid a 200 dollar fine banned him for 1 yr of fishing. He is illegal as it gets no green card no driver's license nothing. He has a wife who gets food stamps electric paid from state etc. And best part he is mad at the state when he has to pay 70bucks a week for taxes. And dont say bc he dont make anything a hr he clears over 1k a week and brags all the time.
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Originally Posted by Shorescow View Post
Yeah el speaka na English happens all the time fellas. I know of a guy who was caught with over 20 big rockfish during spring season. He paid a 200 dollar fine banned him for 1 yr of fishing. He is illegal as it gets no green card no driver's license nothing. He has a wife who gets food stamps electric paid from state etc. And best part he is mad at the state when he has to pay 70bucks a week for taxes. And dont say bc he dont make anything a hr he clears over 1k a week and brags all the time.
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There should be mandatory 40+ hours of community service attached to the penalty for this bullsh*t. Don't show?...then straight to jail for the 40+ hours..
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Originally Posted by xFishdogx View Post
$2000 fine on the case in Baltimore seems pretty weak to me. Hopefully the defund the police movement doesn’t hurt conservation or marine police.
Should be a set fine per fish you harvest over the maximum, plus community service.
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So we all see 50 dead fish that were illegally harvested and everyone looses their minds.

What about the charter boat who catches and releases 100 16" fish in 80 degree water. 90% die within 15 minutes after being released.

Or the massive over-development of forest land on the Western shore contributing to massive nutrient loads into the Bay and ultimately killing massive numbers of fish.

Or your faulty septic tank. Or your car that fails emission tests. Or that 2-stroke outboard that still has a few more years left in it. Or that 40lb cow that you caught pre-season that aborted all her eggs.

You are to blame as well.
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Originally Posted by chrisrack View Post
So we all see 50 dead fish that were illegally harvested and everyone looses their minds.

What about the charter boat who catches and releases 100 16" fish in 80 degree water. 90% die within 15 minutes after being released.

Or the massive over-development of forest land on the Western shore contributing to massive nutrient loads into the Bay and ultimately killing massive numbers of fish.

Or your faulty septic tank. Or your car that fails emission tests. Or that 2-stroke outboard that still has a few more years left in it. Or that 40lb cow that you caught pre-season that aborted all her eggs.

You are to blame as well.
Very good point Chris.
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Originally Posted by chrisrack View Post
So we all see 50 dead fish that were illegally harvested and everyone looses their minds.

What about the charter boat who catches and releases 100 16" fish in 80 degree water. 90% die within 15 minutes after being released.

Or the massive over-development of forest land on the Western shore contributing to massive nutrient loads into the Bay and ultimately killing massive numbers of fish.

Or your faulty septic tank. Or your car that fails emission tests. Or that 2-stroke outboard that still has a few more years left in it. Or that 40lb cow that you caught pre-season that aborted all her eggs.

You are to blame as well.
I'm not going to criticize anyone (comm or rec) who keeps fish they are legally allowed to keep, or do an environmental impact assessment on their home and vehicles. I'd like to see more awareness and regulation on some of the things you mention (fertilizer etc...) and i'd like to see some changes to laws regarding the taking of fish and C&R practices that result in high mortality. But surely you can see the difference between someone who unknowingly puts out an unnecessary bag of weed and feed every spring vs. going out and illegally catching 50+ fish when everyone else out there is following the rules.

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Originally Posted by dell30rb View Post
I'm not going to criticize anyone (comm or rec) who keeps fish they are legally allowed to keep, or do an environmental impact assessment on their home and vehicles. I'd like to see more awareness and regulation on some of the things you mention (fertilizer etc...) and i'd like to see some changes to laws regarding the taking of fish and C&R practices that result in high mortality. But surely you can see the difference between someone who unknowingly puts out an unnecessary bag of weed and feed every spring vs. going out and illegally catching 50+ fish when everyone else out there is following the rules.

You make an excellent point Dell ...... but if you'll allow, I'll counter your question with an answer that you probably won't like.

While on the surface, I can easily see the difference between a few guys who are illegally harvesting 50 rockfish and the impact that this activity has on the resource. Ain't good!!

But on a real management level, habitat management is more critical for resource abundance as compared to managing the individual animals (have a read of Aldo Leopold or Paul Errington ..... two classic practitioners of resource management). If you don't have good water than you'll never have good fish. So 50 dead fish from a handful of anglers of 500,0000 dead fish from excessive nutrients and poor land management ....... one is easy to criticize while the other requires a more reflective analysis...... which none of us are very good at doing.

And don't even get started on the charter boats who kill 100 fish in their attempt to keep 10. ☹
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Originally Posted by dell30rb View Post
I'm not going to criticize anyone (comm or rec) who keeps fish they are legally allowed to keep, or do an environmental impact assessment on their home and vehicles. I'd like to see more awareness and regulation on some of the things you mention (fertilizer etc...) and i'd like to see some changes to laws regarding the taking of fish and C&R practices that result in high mortality. But surely you can see the difference between someone who unknowingly puts out an unnecessary bag of weed and feed every spring vs. going out and illegally catching 50+ fish when everyone else out there is following the rules.

You make an excellent point Dell ...... but if you'll allow, I'll counter your question with an answer that you probably won't like.

While on the surface, I can easily see the difference between a few guys who are illegally harvesting 50 rockfish and the impact that this activity has on the resource. Ain't good!!

But on a real management level, habitat management is more critical for resource abundance as compared to managing the individual animals (have a read of Aldo Leopold or Paul Errington ..... two classic practitioners of resource management). If you don't have good water than you'll never have good fish. So 50 dead fish from a handful of anglers of 500,0000 dead fish from excessive nutrients and poor land management ....... one is easy to criticize while the other requires a more reflective analysis...... which none of us are very good at doing.

And don't even get started on the charter boats who kill 100 fish in their attempt to keep 10.

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Valid points - glad that I am innocent on all accounts. Its possible that I put a little more nitrogen on my 1/10th acre lot - and that bothers me.

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