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What type of Anchor does everyone have in the bay, specifically in the Annapolis area. I have a plow type that came with our 34' when we upgraded in October. It doesn't hold well at all even in shallow 10' or less water. I would say 80% of the time we drag anchor. I have tried allowing for more scope without any luck. Considering going back to a danforth type anchor.
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I gave up on plows and went back to a danfoth style with 30' of chain. Plow anchor did not like to set up on shell or hold in silt. Worked ok in sandy or firmer mud. Danforth holds better on a variety of bottoms from my experience. Make sure you have plenty of chain too
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How much chain do you have and what size?
Old 07-08-2019, 10:19 AM
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big fan of tne rocna and ultra anchors as they seem to set and hold in the bay.
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How much chain do you have?
Old 07-08-2019, 10:44 AM
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Danforth hi-tensile w/plenty of chain.
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Originally Posted by mattttt25 View Post
How much chain do you have and what size?
30' of chain not sure on the size except it works with the windlass.
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Originally Posted by Irish Harmony View Post
Hello,

What type of Anchor does everyone have in the bay, specifically in the Annapolis area. I have a plow type that came with our 34' when we upgraded in October. It doesn't hold well at all even in shallow 10' or less water. I would say 80% of the time we drag anchor. I have tried allowing for more scope without any luck. Considering going back to a danforth type anchor.

I had similar results with Delta anchors on two different boats here in the Chesapeake. Good sometimes, other times, not so much. The first was better -- 35-lb Delta on a 34' 14K-lbs trawler -- but that same 35# model that came with our current 28K# boat was way under-sized.

I've had much better luck here in the slime with two different anchors, both of which are adjustable for mud. Our primary now is a 50# adjustable SuperMAX, using their sizing recommendations for a boat our size. Our back-up -- was primary, at first -- is a Fortress, also sized according to their chart. IOW, I haven't upsized by one level, as is commonly recommended. The Fortress actually works great, and it's light enough to haul manually in a pinch....but it doesn't mount on our particular pulpit quite as elegantly... and since it comes apart for stowage, it became our back-up. Note that a Fortress of the same weight is (sometimes much) larger than a steel Danforth, and fluke size in our mud seems to be a point to consider. OTOH, I've also read abut some of the very light Fortress models having a tendency to swim a bit while deploying, until you get it stuck. I haven't experienced that, with either the previous FX-23 (brought over from previous boat, for a while) or the current FX-37. (See also Fortress mud test reports -- a couple years ago, down near Solomons -- from various magazines for some comparisons. I tried to get them to include a SuyperMAX at the time, too, even offered to lend them ours, but for various mostly good and certainly understandable reasons that didn't happen.)

Without an electric windlass, the 50# SuperMAX would be a bit much for manual hauling... but then I think you wouldn't need one that heavy. Looks like a back-hoe bucket, too. I actually did upsize from the one we were originally using, for our previous boat... since it was described as slightly too small for this current boat. That said, it never ever dragged so upsizing to the recommended model was more a matter of chance than anything else; another local boater had one of the larger size for fair $$$. I had actually had considered upsizing even one more level up from that, but the next size won't fit our pulpit, and it'd be 80#... more than I'd want to lift manually if our windlass crapped out.

Considering it's all part of a system... we use a combination rode made up of a 25' chain leader and 300' or 8-plait rope. That's generally all the chain we've needed here -- not many rocks around to worry about rope chafing -- and cleaning the mud out of a longer chain leader would just get old. Still takes me about 20 minutes or so with the short 25' leader. 8-plait rope actually works well with our windlass gypsy, although the counter isn't accurate on the rope portion.

Happy to let you look over our SuperMAX setup if that would help.

-Chris
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Delta plow anchor. Bites and holds like a champ even on silty/muddy bottoms.

Equally important as the anchor is having enough chain. Get a length of chain min the length of your boat. I suspect this to be your problem.

Your anchor could be undersized as well.
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Originally Posted by Irish Harmony View Post
30' of chain not sure on the size except it works with the windlass.
Not enough
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Originally Posted by Fish'nFool View Post
Delta plow anchor. Bites and holds like a champ even on silty/muddy bottoms.

Equally important as the anchor is having enough chain. Get a length of chain min the length of your boat. I suspect this to be your problem.

Your anchor could be undersized as well.
I haven't had terrific luck with Delta anchors here in the Chesapeake, a couple different sizes -- usually at least one size larger than they recommended -- on a couple different boats... with all-chain rode... and usually with at least 5: scope more often 7:1 when possible. Not horrible, only dragged a few times in mostly slime... just not as good as with the other two current anchors styles, which haven't dragged yet.

Hence my switch.

I don't actually remember ever dragging with the original (smaller) Danforth that came on our first bigger boat, either... but there were a few places where it was difficult to get that to set. I think those bottoms were covered with leaves...

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There was a Danforth 20H hi-tensile for sale here w/chain and 500' of rode. It's rated for up to a 50' boat so it should do what you need.
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I've got a Delta anchor with a couple hundred feet of chain, I usually go with a 5:1 ratio because it's calm in the Bay (most of the time haha!)
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Delta anchors are not so great when the bottom is soupy. They live up to their name of a plow anchor and plow through the mud. They also don’t reset very well if you have a 180 degree wind shift when a squall line passes through. I’ve used Rocna, Delta, CQR, and currently have an Ultra Anchor. The CQR was the worst and the Ultra has been the best. If you don’t want the expense of an Ultra, a Rocna or other spade style anchor will work well. Ignore the size recommendations and go up a size from what they say.

Danforth/Fortress are great anchors, but fitting one on your anchor roller can be problematic.

I use 50 feet of chain on the bay and use a strong swivel to connect the chain to the anchor. This makes sure the anchor comes on to the roller properly.

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i have a oversized delta for my cat and it holds every time. My boating experience is chain + oversize. think mine is 22-25 lbs and i have 25' of chain of my 26' boat. Its a little too big for the end of the pulpit and sometimes i need to help it off. But it is worth it to know that the boat has never drug or pulled loose.

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