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Old 09-10-2018, 11:46 AM
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I currently have an AP24 with a linear rudder feedback which replaced an AP12 with rudder feedback. At the time I had a 250 Suzuki on my 23 whaler. When I switched to the 24, Simrad tech couldn't get virtual feedback to work on boat so went with linear. Boat now had a 300 Suzuki on it. The engine rigging hose now interferes with the feedback rod.

Supposedly, I can change source to vrb without having to disconnect lrf. I was thinking of giving vrb another try.
Tired of dealing with lfb.

Any suggestions?

If in the future I decide to bag the 24, any units you recommend ? I have a HDS9 Gen2.
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Old 09-11-2018, 07:28 PM
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No reason to have that on an outboard boat with an ap24. I’d say go to vf mode and try again. If you do decide to get a new pilot the ap44 system with nac2 would be great. Would be a direct swap with what you have. You could use the same pump too.

This https://www.boemarine.com/simrad-ap4...ontroller.html

and this https://www.boemarine.com/simrad-nac...arter-kit.html
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Old 09-11-2018, 08:36 PM
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Turns out i had to disconnect the brown/white wires for lrf and resit ap24. Upon power on it ask if I wanted vrf yes. Went through the dockside calibration. Took boat out to middle of ICW and engaged autopilot to go on straight course. Thing did a tight turn to port, 360 degrees before I stopped it. Wtf ? Tried autosteer... It again turned sharply to port, then ap24 lost power. Tried to see if it blew fuse. Checked one on back of unit black box, that was fine. Followed power line to fus​​​​​e block, that was fine. Did I kill it? Trying to get ahold of tech that helps me out once in awhile , not response yet.

Gets frustrating, feel like doing burial at sea.

Oh yeah.. As a PS. . took boat out today. The vhf radio was griping that it wasn't receiving GPS data. Radio is NMEA 0183. There is a converter on it. Could AP24 be passing data from NEMA2000 network (HDS9) through to radio? Since AP24 is down, radio is not getting data?

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Old 09-12-2018, 04:39 PM
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Jim, below is current pump. Will it work with parts you suggested?

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Old 09-16-2018, 09:27 AM
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I currently have an AP24 with a linear rudder feedback which replaced an AP12 with rudder feedback. At the time I had a 250 Suzuki on my 23 whaler. When I switched to the 24, Simrad tech couldn't get virtual feedback to work on boat so went with linear. Boat now had a 300 Suzuki on it. The engine rigging hose now interferes with the feedback rod.

Supposedly, I can change source to vrb without having to disconnect lrf. I was thinking of giving vrb another try.
Tired of dealing with lfb.

Any suggestions?

If in the future I decide to bag the 24, any units you recommend ? I have a HDS9 Gen2.
thanks
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I had a similar problem with my Raymarine AP and it was the Seastar Rudder Reference that looks just like yours unit had gone bad. Replaced with this electronic Seastar Smartstick and problem is gone! 10 minutes to install. Hope this will work on yours.

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Old 09-16-2018, 09:55 AM
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thank you for your suggestion .will look into it.
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:17 PM
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You need to not just do the dockside setup, but do the entire setup including Sea Trial. Sounds like your heading was way off and the boat turned. You'll need to swing your compass. All is covered in the manual. Start the process from scratch. It is certainly possible that your hds9 was passing position data through the AP24 but it is not something I have experimented with. Not conventional.

Your pump will work fine.

Not sure on power, you'll need to test for 12V
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Old 09-17-2018, 05:50 PM
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thanks for reply.

Have just updated to "latest" update, 1.3.03. Still trying to get vrf to work . after update, did an autopilot reset. Started from beginning... Boat type.. Vrf ... Rudder test.

Centered motor, start test.. Click X few times until engine starts to turn to starboard. Turn motor all the way starboard, hold > until it goes all the way port, but it doesn't budge. Tried multiple times. Stops at same spot.

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Old 09-17-2018, 08:01 PM
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IIRC, there are two different resets with the AP24. I tried mine with VRF at first but wasn’t satisfied with the performance so I added a teleflex RF unit. Took me several tries to fully reset and remove the VRF settings - have to believe the inverse is true too.

boat turning like you described sounds like compass calibration- follow every step in the manual.
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thanks for input . had manual out. Will try again today. Since update, tech said he'd stop by.

Used to have an ap12 , wired remote with lrf . That was great. Could stand or sit at bow. It lasted 13 yrs until lrf died and they didn't make replacements . had to "upgrade" to ap24 . <sigh>
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Went out again with tech. After multiple rudder test, mucking around with manual HI LO settings, we were able to get vrf to work for trolling speeds but not on plane.

Decision was made to look for replacement. So far, choices are
Raymarine Ev-100
Garmin with or without shadow drive
Furuno NAVPILOT 711c - Rolls Royce
Lowrance
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Originally Posted by toristoy View Post
Went out again with tech. After multiple rudder test, mucking around with manual HI LO settings, we were able to get vrf to work for trolling speeds but not on plane.

Decision was made to look for replacement. So far, choices are
Raymarine Ev-100
Garmin with or without shadow drive
Furuno NAVPILOT 711c - Rolls Royce
Lowrance
Simrad
Seastar Smartstick
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I think it's worth trying this for $300. I was having same issues and this fixed it.If it doesn't. you can just return to WM

BTW, I don't sell any parts or electronics so I have no skin in the game as they say. I just had the same problem and the Smartstick fixed it for under $300....
I did so under the advise of both Raymarine and Teleflex customer service.

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Any of those pilots will work fine for you. I personally would stick with whatever brand matches your Chartplotter for the enhanced integration.

As for the AP24, sounds to me like you may just need to bleed the system better.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:23 AM
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Decided on
Garmin Compact Reactor 40 Hydraulic Autopilon with GHC 20 Corepack

Furuno was $$$$
Even though I have a Lowrance MFD, they pump was half the size of Garmin's. Plus with all the issues I've had with the AP24, I didn't feel like going down that road again.
when the boat was new, it had all Raytheon electronics , which worked well. A f​​​​​ew years ago I had a Raymarine a78. It would never read bottom after 200ft. After 3 units and multiple transducers, Raymarine bought it back. My brother's boat that was identical to mine except engine manufacturers , had a Raymarine autopilot, and it was fine. Just didn't want to go with them.
that left the Garmin. My tech usually recommends the Simrads for best autopilots but he also does a lot of Garmin installs.

Thank you all for the comments.​​​​​​
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Are you looking to sell the old parts?
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