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Old 05-19-2018, 07:32 PM
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Default Simrad vs furuno....

I am a furuno fan but seeing all these new big fancy fishing boats all being equipped with simrad electronics has me questioning.
I will be redoing all the electronics sometime soon in my 32' world cat. If I go furuno I am looking at tzt14's with dff1-uhd how does simrad sonar and gps fair against these units?

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Old 05-19-2018, 10:54 PM
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The DFF1UHD has one limitation as compared to the Garmin and Simrad......it cannot fire a Medium band transducer.
It can only use the High or low bands.

Where the Furuno shines is with the DFF3D system.
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Is the DFF3D better than Chirp? Does it replace it?
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Most of these big fancy fishing boats with Simrad are because the OEM's (Seavee Freeman etc) are practically given product to install on new builds, not to mention Simrad's pro staff. We call it buying dash space.

Furuno doesn't get involved in this which is why you don't see many new boats with Furuno.

Both make a decent product... furuno is more robust, the simrad in my opinion is a price point product that does the job when it works... think Honda vs Kia
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I just installed DFF3D to complement the B175W Chirp transducer I've had for the last few years. I'm just getting to know the DFF3D---numerous tuning options for the multi-sensors.

Is it "better" then Chirp? The DFF3D sonar module coupled with a B54 3D transducer provides much more information then a single Chirp transducer (which is what you'd expect from a transducer that employs Motion sensors that promote target stability in rough seas and the ability to paint targets in a 120 degree swath under your boat)

Here are some screen shots comparing the B175W Chirp with the B54 multi-beam sensor.

The B175W screen caps are on the left. I was running at 4,000 RPM's which resulted in the "noise" in two of the shots.
(I start to lose the DFF3D picture at speed as it's not a thru-hull....it's a transom mounted thru-hull )

What I found interesting were the different ways the B175W and the B54 painted the
same bait ball targets in the Middle and last picture (boat was at troll speed, gain was the same, beam angle was the same for the two transducers







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Furuno's DFF3D bottom mapping is a game changer, especially if you are into bottom fishing looking for structure up to 800 feet deep. As for the chirp capabilities Furuno would probably introduce in the next 6-12 months an upgraded chirp box that would be able to handle all frequency bands. So if you have the budget to pay for premium Furuno quality and you are into bottom fishing this is the way to go.

Simrads on the other hand are a good choice for most types of fishing with the selection of a suitable chirp transducer, you can connect up to three with the S5100 sonar box. Quality issues aside, and having to deal with numerous software updates that try to fix the flaws of the previous one, they are value for money for what they offer and have superb networking capabilities.

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what are you asking for? MFDs? Sounders? Radars? Pilots?
as MFD there are no chances for Furuno, Simrad Evo3 is, by far, the best MFD on the market.
as Sounder, if we talk about CHIRP Simrad wins hands down, it has integrated chirp sonar which works great up to 1kw transducers. if we talk about tone burst traditional sounder there are no possibilities for simrad to win.
as radar, you can only choose Furuno in S and X band, their radards are amazing in this category. Simrad for pulse compression and radome units, Halo works fine.
pilots? for me simrad, but furuno also made awesome products.

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Originally Posted by ale170 View Post
what are you asking for? MFDs? Sounders? Radars? Pilots?
as MFD there are no chances for Furuno, Simrad Evo3 is, by far, the best MFD on the market.
as Sounder, if we talk about CHIRP Simrad wins hands down, it has integrated chirp sonar which works great up to 1kw transducers. if we talk about tone burst traditional sounder there are no possibilities for simrad to win.
as radar, you can only choose Furuno in S and X band, their radards are amazing in this category. Simrad for pulse compression and radome units, Halo works fine.
pilots? for me simrad, but furuno also made awesome products.

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How is the Simrad a better MFD? User interfaces are simple on both brands. The TZTL series is android based smart-phone-like and connects well with many sensors including their CHIRP box and 3D sounder, plus radar, navpilots and other units. Their units are very stable with their software and long supported.

Furuno has pulse compression radars with Doppler processing.. Called the NXT line up. Aside from being the long time leader in radars the advantage to Furuno is that they still offer X-band radar too, which is better than solid state radars for finding small targets like birds at far ranges. (and S-Band if you want it)

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The Furuno will out last the Simard.
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I am in the same boat as you. I am leaning towards doing furuno fishfinder and simrad gps/rader
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I think I will end up going a full furuno setup. Was really wondering why simrad is on all these new high dollar rigs. Truth be told I’m a furuno fan!
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Furuno hand down, had a simrad system nothing but problems,
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Originally Posted by iFishMD View Post
How is the Simrad a better MFD? User interfaces are simple on both brands. The TZTL series is android based smart-phone-like and connects well with many sensors including their CHIRP box and 3D sounder, plus radar, navpilots and other units. Their units are very stable with their software and long supported.

Furuno has pulse compression radars with Doppler processing.. Called the NXT line up. Aside from being the long time leader in radars the advantage to Furuno is that they still offer X-band radar too, which is better than solid state radars for finding small targets like birds at far ranges. (and S-Band if you want it)
Furuno MFD's are the slowest in the market, the display is not clearly visible under the sun and their units aren't networkable as SImrad or Garmin.

on my previous boat i had Furuno equipment, i really appreciated it as stand alone standalone fishfinder (FCV1150) but i did not like NTX radar.

As X and S band radar Furuno wins hands down, but did you try HALO units? for me best pulse compression unit in the market.

on my new boat i need to install a multibeam sounder, so i'm forced to buy a furuno DFF3d module and a TZT2 12", so I hope I can test between the tzt2 and Nss evo3 as soon as possible.
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Originally Posted by ale170 View Post
on my new boat i need to install a multibeam sounder, so i'm forced to buy a furuno DFF3d module and a TZT2 12", so I hope I can test between the tzt2 and Nss evo3 as soon as possible.
You will find many positives with 3D aspects of the Furuno...both Simrad and Garmin's 3D is limited to slow speed and very shallow depth.

the Furuno is excellent at depth and higher speeds with its 3D.

and using the 3D history....very useful.

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Are u saying Furuno is mapping the bottom and updating/making charts as you go over ground up to around 800’?
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You can make personal bathymetric charts with the timezero software with pbg and 3d module. With just the tzt and 3d I think you get 20 minutes of history.
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Originally Posted by Rod27 View Post
Are u saying Furuno is mapping the bottom and updating/making charts as you go over ground up to around 800’?
https://mytimezero.com/tz-professional/dff3d-module
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If you want to see something really impressive check out the Furuno WASSP along with the TZ WASSP module. The WASSP is catered to commercial purposes and the DFF3D is more recreational.
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Furuno MFD's are the slowest in the market, the display is not clearly visible under the sun and their units aren't networkable as SImrad or Garmin.
Say What?!

That's got to be one of the single biggest lines of BS (aka "lies") in THT history... wow.

I have to admit became a Furuno fanboy purely do to their excellent customer service even on stuff a few generations old. That and the stuff is well built and reliable. All of which you pay for.
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Originally Posted by caltexflanc View Post
Say What?!

That's got to be one of the single biggest lines of BS (aka "lies") in THT history... wow.

I have to admit became a Furuno fanboy purely do to their excellent customer service even on stuff a few generations old. That and the stuff is well built and reliable. All of which you pay for.
Come on now you know Furuno is at the bottom, because THT told you so.

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