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Old 02-24-2018, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by castro210 View Post
Didnít mean to ruffle your feathers. Sorry for asking.

I just thought if any speaker could be run full spectrum it would be those 8ís. If they canít id guess you guys who understand this best would recommend high pass for all coaxial speakers then?
Itís a reasonable question. At lower volume levels, you can run the 8ís full range. At higher volume levels, lower frequencies will cause the cone to move further than it has space to move and will damage the speaker as well as sound broken.

The OP is looking for max volume. For him to get max volume, he needs to tune his amp in the range the speakers are designed for.

I have an sd6 with 8ís. If someone will put up the money for a new pair, Iíll video what happens when theyíre turned up full range.

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Old 02-24-2018, 06:59 PM
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Thanks for the info.
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Old 02-26-2018, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
Would you believe JLAudio?

https://jlaudio.zendesk.com/hc/en-us...site=trueWould you believe JLaudio?
are you joking?? every one of those systems you link to uses a SUBWOOFER.

here is what JL has to say about these speakers:
The bass is so impressive that the M880-CCX can be used without a subwoofer while still packing a very serious low-frequency punch. Used with a subwoofer, they offer vastly better dynamics and mid-bass impact than smaller speakers, making them the best choice when ultimate performance is desired.

OF COURSE they will be able to play louder IF you add a SUBWOOFER (at which point you would OBVIOUSLY want to run them in HP). without a subwoofer these speakers should absolutely positively be run full range. to argue they shouldn't is to prove you really have no clue what you're talking about. but, go ahead, keep digging your hole
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Old 02-26-2018, 09:23 AM
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Iím running an HT4 pushing a pair of wetsounds Revo 6ís and 808ís. I decided to turn them on high pass yesterday just to hear for myself.

They didnít sound anywhere near as good. Iíll be leaving my setup on full.
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Old 02-26-2018, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by castro210 View Post
Iím running an HT4 pushing a pair of wetsounds Revo 6ís and 808ís. I decided to turn them on high pass yesterday just to hear for myself.

They didnít sound anywhere near as good. Iíll be leaving my setup on full.
Where did you set the high pass?
And I would tend to agree with you on sound. An htx4 isnít really pushing the 8ís very hard. An sd6 on the other hand is capable 2 1/2 Times the power.
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:23 AM
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I would call JL and ask for setup help. I would then call WS and ask for help on the amp. I went with all JL when I upgraded my system, I called JL and they walked me through everything. Very helpful. Best of luck.
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Old 02-27-2018, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by chainsaw42 View Post
are you joking?? every one of those systems you link to uses a SUBWOOFER.

here is what JL has to say about these speakers:
The bass is so impressive that the M880-CCX can be used without a subwoofer while still packing a very serious low-frequency punch. Used with a subwoofer, they offer vastly better dynamics and mid-bass impact than smaller speakers, making them the best choice when ultimate performance is desired.

OF COURSE they will be able to play louder IF you add a SUBWOOFER (at which point you would OBVIOUSLY want to run them in HP). without a subwoofer these speakers should absolutely positively be run full range. to argue they shouldn't is to prove you really have no clue what you're talking about. but, go ahead, keep digging your hole
Oh man, you really got me. Now I'm stuck in a hole. Dang. What am I going to do?

Here's the setup screen for the dsp in my boat. I cleared most of the setting which were obviously not right and left a blank slate for you. Maybe you could tell me where I went wrong and where to set everything. I'm so glad you're here to help me.



It's amazing that even though I have a sd6 on my boat running 8's, I have no idea what they actually sound like. Again, I sure am lucky you're here.
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Old 02-27-2018, 10:10 PM
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No way run them full range. Like already stated they can not run sub frequencies and you will burn them up. If you have the high pass on and set around 70ish and the ďbassĒ still sounds bad Iíll bet you ah e a speaker out a phase.
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:29 AM
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Just asking to clarify, but would an htx4 bridged dedicated to a pair of the 8's work?

I was planning on doing an htx6 to a pair of M880 and one M10...enough power to drive those? and a mhd 600 to 2 pairs of m770s...

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Where did you set the high pass?
And I would tend to agree with you on sound. An htx4 isnít really pushing the 8ís very hard. An sd6 on the other hand is capable 2 1/2 Times the power.
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Old 02-28-2018, 05:41 AM
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Definitely subd on this one! I need to get rid of the junk in my new boat!
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Old 02-28-2018, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by gdholbrook View Post
Just asking to clarify, but would an htx4 bridged dedicated to a pair of the 8's work?

I was planning on doing an htx6 to a pair of M880 and one M10...enough power to drive those? and a mhd 600 to 2 pairs of m770s...
Yes it will work. Itís a really nice combo. The htx6 with 8.8ís and a 10 is great as well. Good balance.
I have to ask if the budget is their for a mhd amp why not go all in on an sd6 to run the whole set up?
Order a 2ohm sub from WS. The XWW grill blends nicely with the classic.
You will be giving up some on paper to the 8.8ís but in reality the sound quality and true power of the sd6 is more then specs.
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One sd6 would do 4 7.7, a pair of 8.8 and a 10'?
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Yep.
4 7.7’s on 1&2 8.8’s on 3&4 and sub on bridged on 6. That’s awesome for a jl or WS 12 Or two 2ohm tens at 300. The WS 10 can handle the 600. JL 10 would go boom unless you tune it way dowm

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Channels 1&2 are the sub channels on the sd6. I’m sure you know that. I’m just yanking your chain.
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Can't give up all the tricks...
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Old 03-13-2018, 11:34 PM
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Hey guys, new here.. but have lurked around for a number of years and found myself compelled to jump in because I am facing a very similar issue and struggling with with direction to go moving forward...

I have a speedboat, not a wakeboard boat, I installed 8 Rev8's in the cabin, removed them from the cans and installed inside the boat. While I completely understand these are Horn Loaded, I have not been pleased with the performance. While I also understand these are meant for long projection wakeboarding distance, I got a lil overzealous after I got the boat and thought I wanted the best of the best and didnt really think this through, nor did my Wet Sounds dealer who sold them to me... After running them for the past year, Im convinced that I will be removing them as they are not the ideal speaker for inside the boat.

For the past 2 weeks I have been digging in reading and calling, as, I too am in the same dilemma as far as the amp settings..

From all the shops and people I have talked to, I was told they need to be on HP and the crossover set accordingly. I even talked to some shops that are crossing these things over at 105hz.. but obviously 80-100hz would be somewhere in the spot..

I have been running mine on AP, and once you start cranking the volume, its loud, but the bass its trying to put out, distorts as high volume... Not something you want when your trying to rip the volume knob and impress or be the turntable boat in your group for tunes.... The distorted bass now becomes your volume limit instead of the true maximum volume control ceiling.. Therefore, I havent been happy.

I was told to go back, set the amps to HP and tweak the crossover and listen again, and I was promised they would sound much better and I could crank the piss out of the volume and even the gains and they would scream loud and clear...

I was also told, I need to add subs.. end of story, until I add some form of a sub, the system would lack.. period..

There are contributing factors for the speakers and AP setting, some of which were already mentioned, I was told that in a Free air install, such as I did with the Rev8's, I couldnt/shouldnt run AP, because the speakers dont have an enclosure to support the bass you asking it to produce running in AP, and the speakers would be better suited running in HP both for sound quality and maximum volume. Granted, you wont probably get as much bass, but, you can crank the volume louder without distortion.

I agree with you on the speakers being full range, the JL, Rev8, RF 8's etc... and while they can definitely run on AP and get full range out of them, you end up limiting the loudness as a result of distortion because when they are in AP, as you start to get loud, the bass distorts the sound from them and then it sounds like crap.. Im living proof... Thats exactly what happens... I will be going back and switching the amps over to HP, and tweaking the X'over around the 80-90hz range and see if this helps, I would only imagine it does since the pros i talked are the ones telling me to do this...

My struggle now is.. because its a speedboat and because I eagerly removed Rev8's out of their natural habitat from a can and shoved them into the cabin of my boat, not to mention how much each of them weigh and the fact that weight is a speed killer, im trying to decide on what 8" tweeter speaker to replace them with. Im convinced replacing them with Revo8's or the RF PM282's is the better choice, although I was told that running any of those on HP with an X'over setting that I would be hard pressed to hear a real difference between the 3...Rev8, Revo8, or RF PM282.. So now it comes down to saving weight.. Yes, I could leave the Rev8's, set the HP and X'over and be done, but Id prefer to save the weight of the Rev8s and swap them out, then use the saved weight for a sub...

Dock and Brian you might be getting an email from me about speaker choice...
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