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Old 11-29-2017, 09:00 AM
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Is the sounder in the TZ2 touch the same as in the 588? thanks
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Very similar...


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Old 11-29-2017, 11:28 AM
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What are some of the differences? My 585's screen went out and I am debating what I should do. I currently have a 8212 with a GSD 25 mated to a GT-51. I really love the 585 though but kind of want something with some more features. I am currently redoing my dash so I can get whatever. thoughts?
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If you mean more sonar features..the TZT is capable of using the new DFF3D system.
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
If you mean more sonar features..the TZT is capable of using the new DFF3D system.
more features other than just sonar. But I really want to keep the 585 type sonar. I love that machine and still relied heavily on it before it went out.
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TZT2 as a great internal sounder. I think it is the same as the FCV588. Here is mine from yesterday on nice-sized resident Chesapeake Bay Striped bass with a $99 P66




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What data could be shared between my 8212 and the tzt2? Just the basic nmea2k stuff? I think I’m leaning towards it
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Originally Posted by timothyj View Post
What data could be shared between my 8212 and the tzt2? Just the basic nmea2k stuff? I think I’m leaning towards it
Numerical data..no images.
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I've been wondering the same thing about the sonar's capability vs the FCV 58x units. So far I haven't seen/heard anything about deep water performance. Hopefully it's just as good as the F58X units using either a B164 or B/TM260.
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And of course remember that you'll be fiddling thru pull down menus on the TZT2 instead of twidling knobs on the FCV. A tweak here & there is easier on the FCV. Both have about the same shallow water perf regarding loosing the bottom under about 10ft depending on type of bottom, etc. Had both, sounders seem about the same but I had diff ducers on each.

Last point is the TZT2 is android-based IIRC and boots, shuts down like a PC and has a fan (and maybe a harddrive?, others can chime in here). FCV is your basic embedded computer, no whirring noises, no shutdown procedure req'd. TZ touch screen is way more responsive than current garmin products (eg, 7612).
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Originally Posted by Xpac View Post
I've been wondering the same thing about the sonar's capability vs the FCV 58x units. So far I haven't seen/heard anything about deep water performance. Hopefully it's just as good as the F58X units using either a B164 or B/TM260.
Using the B260,Tm260 SS264 pair etc....excellent deep water use with the TZT units.


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Another question: I currently have the GT-51TM mated with a GSD25. If I go with the TZT2 and get the DFF3d paired with their transducer, will I be able to run these in parallel?
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Originally Posted by timothyj View Post
Another question: I currently have the GT-51TM mated with a GSD25. If I go with the TZT2 and get the DFF3d paired with their transducer, will I be able to run these in parallel?
Shouldn't cause interference if the frequencies are different. The DFF3D runs at 165kHz and the GT-51TM runs at 245-275 kHz
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Originally Posted by timothyj View Post
Another question: I currently have the GT-51TM mated with a GSD25. If I go with the TZT2 and get the DFF3d paired with their transducer, will I be able to run these in parallel?
Yes, you can use both... no cross talk.
the DFF3dD fires at 165 kHz...the GT51 mid band is 80-160 kHz.
And they use vasty different processing and filtering.



Here is a FAQ on the DFF3D:

Q1..Which MFD models will be compatible with the DFF3D
Sonar?


The DFF3D will work with the original TZT series consisting of the
TZT9, TZT14 and TZTBB. It will also work with the TZT2 series
consisting of the TZTL12F and TZTL15F. The DFF3D will not work
with the NavNet 3D MFDs.

Q2.. Can the DFF3D Sonar and a traditional 50/200 sounder
operate at the same time?


Yes. The DFF3D operates at a frequency of 165 kHz. Since many
Furuno sounders operate at either 50 kHz or 200 kHz, you can use
the DFF3D at the same time and even at the same time on the same
MFD using different windows.

Q3
.. Which transducers are compatible with the DFF3D?
Unlike other Furuno sounders, the DFF3D Sonar uses a frequency of
165 kHz.


The multi-beam design of the DFF3D means that no
previous sounder transducers are compatible with the DFF3D. Initially
there will be two transducers available, a bronze thru-hull and a
transom mount transducer. Information on new additional transducer
types can be found here under the DFF3D product information page
on the Furuno USA website.

Q4.. Can I mix a DFF1-UHD, DFF1, BBDS1 or DFF3 with the DFF3D
on the same network?


Yes. You can mix a DFF1-UHD, DFF1, BBDS1 or DFF3 or the built in
TZtouch2 sounder on the same network as the DFF3D Sonar. Only
one sounder and the DFF3D Sonar can be operated at the same time
on each MFD. The DFF3D and one down sounder can actually be
displayed on the same display page at the same time. In fact we
recommend combining these complimentary systems on the same
display page.

Q5
.. Will I be able to view the DFF3D sonar on any of the Furuno
Apps?


Yes. The DFF3D can be viewed and adjusted via the Furuno Remote
App.
On the Furuno Viewer App, only the digital depth indication will be
displayed from the DFF3D.

Q6.. How is the DFF3D connected to the network?

The DFF3D is connected to the network via a 5 meter shielded
Ethernet cable that is supplied with the unit. Other longer Ethernet
cable lengths are available if required.

Q7.. Is the NavNet 3D series compatible with the DFF3D?

No. The NavNet 3D series is not compatible with the DFF3D. There
are no plans to make it compatible.

Q8.. Is the DFF3D compatible with Nobeltec TimeZero?

DFF3D is scheduled to become compatible with TIMEZERO, TZ
Professional by December, 2017. Two optional modules, the DFF3D
module and the PBG module, need to be purchased as well.

Q9.. Will the DFF3D also supply temp information to the TZtouch
network?


Yes. The DFF3D transducers have a built in temp sensor, so the
DFF3D Sonar is capable of supplying temperature to the TZtouch
network. You must go into the Initial Installation tab in the MFD
menu and within the Data Source menu, select the DFF3D as the
primary temp source for the network under the SST tab.

Q10.. Can the DFF3D also supply depth information to the TZtouch
network?


Yes. The DFF3D is capable of supplying depth to the TZtouch
network. You must go into the Initial Setup tab in the MFD menu and
within the Data Source menu select the DFF3D as the primary depth
source for the network under the Depth menu tab.

Q11.. Does the DFF3D have Accu-fish?

No. High and low frequency comparison information is needed in
order to provide Accu-Fish, fish size information.

Q12.. Does the DFF3D show me bottom hardness/composition like
the BBDS1?


No. Not at this time.

Q13.. What is the power rating of the DFF3D?

The power rating of the DFF3D is 800 watts.

Q14.. What is the water resistance rating of the DFF3D?

The water resistance rating of the DFF3D is IP55.

Q15.. Are there any special setup procedures for the DFF3D?

While you could use the DFF3D right out of the box without making
any setup changes in the installation menu, it is not recommended. It
is recommended that the installer follow the setup procedure in the
DFF3D Operator’s manual. This will configure the DFF3D transducer
and sensor inputs for the best and most accurate picture. The DFF3D
transducer has a built-in motion sensor to provide a clear picture
even in rough seas. For optimum resolution, the location of the
transducer must be setup in the menu to get the best performance
out of the built-in motion sensor. The setup is also important to
ensure accurate target positions (marks) are properly georeferenced.

Q16.. Can I use the DFF3D to replace my traditional echo sounder?

The DFF3D could be used in place of traditional sounders. The DFF3D
does offer a traditional down-sounding mode and display information
that you are accustomed to viewing. It also has the ability to instantly
view a wide swath of each side of your vessel. However if Accu-fish
and Bottom discrimination are important to you, you will need a
traditional two frequency sounder for these features.

Q17.. Is it recommended that I also have a traditional echo
sounder as well as the DFF3D?


While it is not necessary to have both the DFF3D and a traditional
echo sounder installed on your vessel, if you already have one you
can keep it and get the best of both worlds. Due to the frequency
difference between the DFF3D and a traditional sounder, you can run
them both at the same time. Further, you can use your traditional
sounder to view the bottom on either 50/200 kHz or TruEcho CHIRP
sounder while simultaneously using the DFF3Ds’ ability to view off of
each side of your vessel.

Q18.. How deep can the DFF3D see down? Out to the sides?

The DFF3D’s detection range straight down is over 1,000 feet and
over 600 feet off to each side.

Q19.. How long are the transducer cables?

The DFF3D transducers come with 10 meter cables (33 feet).

Q20.. Can the DFF3D use heave information?

Yes. If there is a Furuno SC (Satellite Compass) compass installed in
the network such as an SC30 or SC50. In the DFF3D setup menu you
would select the SC compass as the motion sensor source instead of
the internal source from the transducer.

Q21.. What is the frequency of the DFF3D?

The frequency of the DFF3D is 165 kHz.

Q22.. I already have a traditional sounder, why do I want or need
a DFF3D Sonar?


The DFF3D Multi-Beam Sonar provides real time sweeping 120° high
resolution information under your vessel which traditional sounders
cannot offer. The unique ability to see over 600 feet off of each side
of your vessel is extremely valuable. The DFF3D also offers you some
new viewing modes as well. While you can run the DFF3D in a
traditional single beam mode, you can also run in triple beam mode,
or the Cross Section mode which allows you to cover a 120 degree
swath below your vessel. Then, you can also view a 3D Sounder
history mode which is very intuitive while still continue to scan and
view on both sides of your vessel.

Q23.. Does the DFF3D require a motion sensor, like an SC30, to
function properly?


The DFF3D does not need a separate motion sensor to function
properly. The compact multi-beam transducers that work with the
DFF3D have precision motion sensors built directly into them, making
installation a breeze. If you have a Furuno satellite compass (SC) it is
recommended that you use that device for the sensor input to take
advantage of the higher precision sensors in the SC compass.

Q24.. What is the input voltage of the DFF3D?

The DFF3D Sonar requires a 12 to 24Vdc input.


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