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Old 11-21-2017, 05:28 AM
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Default Confusion about Garmin GT series transducers

I've been looking a bit at transducers and was researching the Garmin GT51M-TM after it was recommended to me. It looks to be exactly what I'm looking for, but I noticed it was not on the Garmin website. I mean, the page is still there and it's accessible if you search for it on Google, but you can't navigate to it from their main site. The GT series is also not in the most recent Garmin Tranducer Selection guide.

Has the GT series been recently discontinued?
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Old 11-21-2017, 06:56 AM
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It's in the Garmin Store but they were discontinued last Friday

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Old 11-21-2017, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
It's in the Garmin Store
Brian, thanks for responding, but it doesn't really answer my question. As I indicated, the page is still there if you get there via a Google search, but you cannot browse to it from Garmin's home page nor is it in the most current Garmin Transducer Selection Guide.

Do you know if it's been discontinued?

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Old 11-21-2017, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
Not discontinued..
All the GT series are still available.....Garmin's site is just goofy.


GT units still in stock: GT8, GT15, GT20, GT21, GT23, GT30, GT50, GT51, GT52 etc....



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The GT series transducers ARE discontinued as of last Friday. The replacement transducers the CV series will be available in the next few days.
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Old 11-21-2017, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
The GT series transducers ARE discontinued as of last Friday. The replacement transducers the CV series will be available in the next few days.
I recommend buying quickly as the CV transducers lack the downvu element that the GT series has. The element may return next year as Garmin won their last lawsuit declaring Navico's patent invalid, but maybe not. I'm not sure of the specifics on the patent.
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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
The GT series transducers ARE discontinued as of last Friday. The replacement transducers the CV series will be available in the next few days.
that explains it
Garmin's site is not as goofy as thought...lol

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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
The GT series transducers ARE discontinued as of last Friday. The replacement transducers the CV series will be available in the next few days.
WTF? Do the newest new CV transducers have a down element or are they like the 'old' CV transducers with no down element?

What/why is Garmin making things more confusing?
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Old 11-21-2017, 08:31 AM
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Interesting... If Garmin's website is to be trusted, it appears they are just renaming the GT51M-TM to CV51M-TM. The specs look to be indentical.

Both say:

Frequency: CHIRP Mid-band (80-160 kHz); ClearVü/SideVü CHIRP 260 kHz (245-275 kHz) & 455 kHz (445-465 kHz)

Power: CHIRP Traditional 600 W; ClearVü/SideVü 500 W

Beamwidth: CHIRP Traditional (24-13); ClearVü/SideVü (2.0x51 @ 260 kHz) & (1.4x29 @ 455 kHz)

https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/p/614250#specs

https://buy.garmin.com/en-SG/digital/p/537004#specs
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You cant tell from those specs if it has a down element or not. The beam width for downview/clearview is exactly the same as sideview, so that could mean anything. Might have down elements or might not.

This move makes no sense to me. If they "won" the law suit, why not fix the clearvu transducers so they actually work rather than cripple their only transducers that even vaguely work on downview?

How the hell is anyone supposed to know what they are buying?

The GT transducers already have the worst downview/sideview of any of the major brands. Why go backwards even more?
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I supose we will have to wait until Lowrance gets ahold of one of the "new" CV transducers to know for sure.

Last time Garmin made a transducer announcement about CV transducers, they lied to everyone from day one saying they were no different from the GT transducers - it was only a name change.

We all know how true that was. It took lowrance running side by side tests and cutting one open before the truth came out.
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Originally Posted by Yrral3215 View Post
I supose we will have to wait until Lowrance gets ahold of one of the "new" CV transducers to know for sure.

Last time Garmin made a transducer announcement about CV transducers, they lied to everyone from day one saying they were no different from the GT transducers - it was only a name change.

We all know how true that was. It took lowrance running side by side tests and cutting one open before the truth came out.
I can only assume they didn't fix it because there is still a lingering legal issue involved, or that their production cycle requires a year or so to get things back online.

Navico released somewhere x-rays showing the differences of the transducers with and without the down element.
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Sorry for asking slightly off topic:

Are all elements (down and side facing) of the GT transducers used for Quickdraw Contours map recording?
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Originally Posted by rheinskipper View Post
Sorry for asking slightly off topic:

Are all elements (down and side facing) of the GT transducers used for Quickdraw Contours map recording?
For the GT series.....only the Traditional element is used for QuickDraw.

And...the Panoptix / PS30 does give multiple readings per ping with QuickDraw...so a bit better detail.


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The nomenclature "GT" will not return, moving forward it will be referred to as Clear Vu
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The question is will there be a dedicated down element in the new cv transducers.

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Originally Posted by TroyBoy30 View Post
The question is will there be a dedicated down element in the new cv transducers.

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I just hope he is sober this time of the day...


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No one has said that the CV 50/ 51 is lacking a down element.
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
I just hope he is sober this time of the day...

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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
No one has said that the CV 50/ 51 is lacking a down element.
hahahahaha! Yeah right.

Thats exactly what they said last time -
"There is no difference between the GT and CV transducers - its just a name change."
That was what they said on the website and it was repeated by multiple Garmin reps - including Todd Driscoll - every time anyone asked about it, for several months - until Lowrance called them out for lying.

Why should we suddenly start believing them? Especially when one of the Garmin reps had this to say when called out about it....

"no company tells the truth about their products." When I said to him they didn't tell anyone they removed the down element he said, "well we never said it was in there in the first place."
When Garmin’s own reps know that Garmin is lying about their products, and is perfectly willing to admit it, how can we ever trust anything they say?
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Old 11-22-2017, 05:42 AM
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Todd was only repeating what he was told. I'm not saying the way they handled it was right, but they never advertised the cv transducers as having a down element

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