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Old 11-14-2017, 10:58 AM
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Default Garmin 7612 vs 1242 - $1300 difference?

Figured I better break this down instead of continuing to post on my long winded discussion about entire electronic package.

I am trying to determine WHY the 7612 us $1300 more than the 1242 ...see long list below from Garmin site ...while I assume my needs are less than many, why would so many spend so much more money on the 7612 ... is it the GLONASS, the touch screen, the additional ports (although with NMEA 2000 this seems less important), the different sonar capability, or the ability to share data to another MFD?

Anyone beat this to death prior to their purchase - why choose one over the other?

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Both have same size screen
Both have same resolution
Both have WXGA display
Both have two (2) Garmin Marine Network ports
Both use +/- the same amount of power
Both use same data card type
Both have same transducer transmit power
Both have CHIRP, ClearVu and SideVu
Both have two LAN inputs
7612 has more sonar frequency options (but, it is had to tell from the Garmin site)
7612 is touch screen and 1242 is button
7612 has GPS + GLONASS and 1242 is only GPS
7612 has two (2) NMEA 0183 input ports and 1242 only has one (1)
7612 has two (2) NMEA 0183 output ports and 1242 only has one (1)
7612 has two (2) Composite video input ports and 1242 has one (1) BNC port
7612 has one one (1) DVI-D video output ports and 1242 has none
7612 has several special features including ability to share data with other displays and 1242 has a blank field on the Garmin site
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Touch and dual channel CHIRP are the main differences. Both support GLONASS.
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:29 PM
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[QUOTE=stephenson;10842083] why choose one over the other?

With the 7612xsv you can run two differnt transducers a the same time.
For example: you can run a B175HW into the 8 pin port and a GT51-TM into the 12 pin port.
Or if you wish... you can run a dual band transducer such as the B265C-LH in the 7612xsv

With the 2142xsv..you have a single 12 pin port..so only one transducer can be used.
You can only fire a singe band transdcuer..such as the B175..B75 etc..
Or you can fire a Side/Down such as the GT51.

It all comes down to yoru fishing parameters.


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Old 11-15-2017, 12:57 PM
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1242 + gcv-10 still cheaper than 7612....
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Originally Posted by Hossharris View Post
1242 + gcv-10 still cheaper than 7612....
That works....but limited to a single CHIRP Traditional channel..and the GCV 10 limited to only the GT30.
A good choice if dual band is not required...and one is satisfied with the GT30.

Another good option is to add the GSD25 to the 1242xsv..or to the 1242 chart.


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Love my 1242. If you buy the one with the included transducer it is a GT51. Presets allow you to quickly access different screens for cruising fishing or whatever you want. I have the other things on it like engine guages and VHF DSC linked. What I do like is no finger prints on my screen

Also what you save between the two almost covers the cost of adding a radar.
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Checking back in with some impressions and more questions :-)

Been touching and feeling Simrad and Garmin products - 9"-12" sizes ... great West Marine location here with smart folks to help.

Touch screen vs knobs - I like touch screen better - probably because it is like my phone, pad, etc ...more intuitive. However, watching the knowledgeable sales guy use the non-touch screen systems it is clear there is not much difference once you use the MFD enough for it to become somewhat automatic. I recognize the screens will get grimy with use and that keeping them dry could be an issue. Could trade this like off against utility.

Garmin vs Simrad - I like the Garmin displays for basic charting better. Don't think I want to trade off the Garmin.

Engine data on MFD vs gauges - after setting up a couple of engine data screens and subscreens on the MFDs (both Simrad and Garmin), I don't understand why I need the manufacturer gauges for my application (I deleted all the gauges on the order). Assuming the data is accurate and I can get the data from the Yamaha 250 mechanical engine to the NMEA 2000, I can select data types and display preferences and run them in a window on one or more MFDs - or, select them when I need to on a single MFD.

I can feel myself being drawn into the comparisons of capabilities without a real frame of reference about what I really need ...sort of like one would do when buying an AV system oror a PC. Further, the way the devices are mounted at the store (all vertical), it is difficult to assess how large an MFD I really "need" to have ...

So have been trying to develop option sets … tried a kind of a low, medium, high approach to researching (all Garmin), but their are hybrid options to two or a single device ...

- Low Low - single 942XS (like the below but screen size prohibits being able to share charting, sonar and engine data effectively)
- Low - two 942 XSs (PROS: 1300/apiece (retail), touch screen CONS: can’t share data between them? Slightly lower res than 76 series)
- Medium - two 1042 XSVs (PROS: bigger than 9” (but not much), does sideVu (with appropriate transducer CONS: 2000/apiece, not touch screen, can’t share data between them?)
- High - two 7610 XSVs (PROS: slightly higher resolution, touch screen, does sideVU, can share data CONS: 2700/apiece)
- Hybrid High - one 7610 and one 1042 (PROS: can share from the 7610 to the 1042, backup knob interface)
- Really High Hybrid - one 7612 XSVs and one 942 or 1042 or 1242 (PROS: touch screen, very nice size, does sideVU, can share data CONS: 4000, plus 1300, 2000, or 2700)
- Really Really High - two 7612 XSVs (PROS: touch screen, very nice size, does sideVU, can share data CONS: 4000/apiece)
Etc, etc, etc ...

Decision Point - I am beginning to think a "Low approach" might be a good starting point (and a helluvalot cheaper) … it looks like capabilities are going up and price/capability are declining, especially in screen size if I decide I simply had to have bigger screens in a couple of years?

Two 942XSs would appear to provide:
- more than sufficient charting
- 1K watt output to drive the Airmar 75M transducer (I could add the GCV10 box ($400) required to get sideVU if I got a transom mounted sideview transducer)
- sufficient resolution (especially when mounted at an appropriate viewing angle on the console
- total hardware cost - $2600 plus NMEA 2000 backbone and a connector cable from the Yamaha 250 for engine data to NMEA 2000 plus installation (even the all knob 1042 option is $4000 plus …)

Reminder … Gulf Coast cruising and fishing (occasionally in Gulf but only on nice days), fishing for fun (not aggressive :-)). Not much if any nighttime fishing or fun (except for boat parade and fireworks watching).

What do you all think given I have beaten this horse to death?

Thanks, as always!!
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Or

2 840xs or 1040's ...they can use the B75 and the GCV 10.
You then save a good bit of $

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I am assembling a Garmin system one very expensive piece at a time so I can have everything ready for install come spring. One option I'll throw in is what I'm doing to save a little.

If you go dual 7612 option, no need to have both be XSV. I picked up a 7412 (same as 7612XSV except no charts or sounder) which saved considerable $. I will add a 7612XSV. Confirmed with Garmin that everything will network including the base charts. Even a 7612 non XSV saves you $500. I have not heard a single good argument beside "resale" as to why someone would want two XSV units.

Same argument can be made for the 9XX series. I am planning to add a 922 for engine and other NMEA data and as a part time radar display. But no reason to pay hundreds extra for a 942XS with built in charts and sounder when I could just go with a 922.
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Prospective,

Concur - only thing is without two GPS/Chart units, you really don't have a backup for navigation, right?
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1. 942xs are fully network compatible so you're incorrect when you list a CON as not sharing data
2. I disagree that a button unit is as fast as a touch unit once you get used to it. touch unit is always faster--at least at the dock. I've had many touch and non-touch units. I do think that under bumpy conditions touch can get harder to use. screen cleanliness is not an issue--all you do is keep those disposable lens wipes stashed on the boat and a very occasional wipe will keep them looking fine. plus, worst case, the 942xs is compatible w/the GRID wired remote that turns the units (1 GRID for multiple units) into hybrid touch/button.

I think the 942xs is garmin's best value at the moment. 2 of them will give you dual channel chirp although you cannot split screen the 2 channels on one unit unless you add the gsd25 or gsd26.
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Originally Posted by Prospective View Post
I am assembling a Garmin system one very expensive piece at a time so I can have everything ready for install come spring. One option I'll throw in is what I'm doing to save a little.

If you go dual 7612 option, no need to have both be XSV. I picked up a 7412 (same as 7612XSV except no charts or sounder) which saved considerable $. I will add a 7612XSV. Confirmed with Garmin that everything will network including the base charts. Even a 7612 non XSV saves you $500. I have not heard a single good argument beside "resale" as to why someone would want two XSV units.

Same argument can be made for the 9XX series. I am planning to add a 922 for engine and other NMEA data and as a part time radar display. But no reason to pay hundreds extra for a 942XS with built in charts and sounder when I could just go with a 922.
The best arguement for 2x XSV units IMO is more transducer ports and therefore more transducer options. I have a B265 and GT51 both of which require 12-pin ports. 1 connected to each XSV. With only one XSV I would need an external sounder module like GSD-25

Depending on how you fish, 1x 8-pin and 1x 12-pin transducer ports of a single XSV may be fine
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Concur - only thing is without two GPS/Chart units, you really don't have a backup for navigation, right?
They are all gps's. Each has an internal antenna. But only one unit would have the built in basemaps.
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totally agree it typically does not make sense to skimp and save the couple hundred dollars and get the base model w/out charts or sounder. as said above, you really cannot have too many transducer ports (I have 5 and have them all filled and if I had another I'd fill that too). and when you go to sell the unit after an upgrade you'll likely get more than your money back on the charts & sounder 'extras' on the device.
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Hi I’m just starting to look at an upgrade. Sounds like the 1242 touch is a nice unit. I mainly cruise so simple depth sounder is food for me. Also looking at radar....I think 24” dome xHD or fantom.

Anyone have suggestions? Do they go on sale? I know right now there’s a $200 rebate for charts and active captain. Sounds like a nice fit for me.

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I sold my new just installed 7610xsv and bought the 1242xsv Touch. I am running the B150 thru hull transducer. Gotta say for the price the 1242 is a winner.
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Originally Posted by PERSISTENCE_22 View Post
Hi I’m just starting to look at an upgrade. Sounds like the 1242 touch is a nice unit. I mainly cruise so simple depth sounder is food for me. Also looking at radar....I think 24” dome xHD or fantom.

Anyone have suggestions? Do they go on sale? I know right now there’s a $200 rebate for charts and active captain. Sounds like a nice fit for me.

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You also need to factor in a transducer...if you are not fishing..you can use one of many non CHIRP ducers...such as a B60 for water less than 500'.
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
You also need to factor in a transducer...if you are not fishing..you can use one of many non CHIRP ducers...such as a B60 for water less than 500'.

thanks im kinda new to the electronics shopping. But I’m tired of not trusting what I have. Old Raytheon pathfinder and 6000i northstar. Little standard depth sounder. The radar and plotter are basically useless now. Can’t tune the radar or zoom the plotter.....

i have navionics phone and iPad and gsrmin handheld for backups...but looking forward to 1 screen etc.
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Originally Posted by PERSISTENCE_22 View Post
Hi I’m just starting to look at an upgrade. Sounds like the 1242 touch is a nice unit. I mainly cruise so simple depth sounder is food for me. Also looking at radar....I think 24” dome xHD or fantom.

Anyone have suggestions? Do they go on sale? I know right now there’s a $200 rebate for charts and active captain. Sounds like a nice fit for me.

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as far as sale price, the units are price controlled by garmin. But, if you buy a transducer at the same time, some retailers will discount the transducer significantly. Ask Gil for a quote
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I feel your pain. Just finished going thru this very ordeal. I decided to go with the 1242 touch xsv, 742xs, & B175M. I am waiting for UPS to show up anytime. Good luck with your decision. Gil @ Semperfifishing on here is the go to guy. He has forgotten more about electronics than most will ever know. He was an enormous help in making my decision.

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