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Old 09-06-2017, 02:52 PM
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I am looking for the best Side Imaging and GPS Combo I can get for about $750. I am really new to the technology.
Saltwater inshore use. I do not need to integrate anything, just side imaging and gps. I just want to be able to clearly see side imaging on the biggest screen I can for around $750.

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Old 09-06-2017, 07:09 PM
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Im going to go out on a limb here and disagree with Gill. Garmin has the worst side and down imaging in the industry as far as image sharpness and detail. On the plus side the range is good and CHIRP makes for a nice clean screen, but a Humminbird or Lowrance will put Garmin to shame.
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Take a look at the Lowrance Ti series. Essentially a Gen2 touch minus some networking capabilities plus chirp. Hook up a totalscan transducer and you're rolling. I think they had some rebates going recently. If you shop it hard you can probably get into a 9" screen at or very close to your budget.
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I have the Garmin 7612's and before that the 1040xs's

It works but, compared to our Hummingbird stuff on fresh water.....It's way behind the curve.


When I am in any depth at all you have to slow to about 6mph to get clear feedback. Anything more it will start to cloud up.

I think there has to be better technology than Garmin.

Bigger Transducer
Brighter screens
Higher resolution

Has to be on the Horizon but, not so with Garmin yet.
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Lowrance Elite 7 Ti w/ TotalScan transducer
Old 09-07-2017, 04:37 AM
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The Simrad Go7 with Totalscan is my suggestion for you.
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Garmin with chirp in saltwater is the best sidescan I've seen/used. And I've owned Humminbird and used Simrad.

But the ducer alone is $750.
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The Lowrance Elite 7 Ti looks to be a good deal, based off the videos I watched and what it seems to include. The wireless function is pretty slick.
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Originally Posted by Hsif Der View Post
The Lowrance Elite 7 Ti looks to be a good deal, based off the videos I watched and what it seems to include. The wireless function is pretty slick.
For about $250 more you can bump up to the Elite 9Ti. I use mine strictly in fresh water but have fished in lakes 150' deep and have no complaints.
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The difference in the 7 & the 9 are screen sizes? It looks like I can readily get the 9 for $1k.

I am getting confused with all the C-Map, Lake VU, etc. Can anyone give me the laymen's version?

I want this for inshore florida panhandle areas.
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I don't know whose chip is best for FL panhandle inshore, but likely it is a Navionics product, and you can plan on dropping $150 to $200 on it if you want lots of detail. I found that the Lowrance data included with my units was insufficient for my area, so I sprung for the top drawer Navionics product. Made a huge difference for me.

I'm sure someone will be along shortly to tell you what works best in your area. Could be that the included Lowrance data will work fine for your purposes in your area. You could start with the Ti of your choice, then add an upgrade mapping chip later when you can afford it/if you find you need it.

Note also that Garmin restricts you to their map chip products only. I see that as a considerable drawback.
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As far as 7 vs 9 goes, yes, it refers to screen size. I have one of each at my helm because that was what would fit. The 9" does not have any more pixels than the 7", but the size improvement is way better for my fifty-something eyes. Here's a photo for you to compare.

Note that I would have gone Simrad (made by the same people as Lowrance) because I liked the glass panel look better. But I needed to control my trolling motor with it and the Simrad version does not support that capability.
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Here's some side and down imaging, plus sonar for your viewing pleasure. This is not a video, just clipped from one:

Also attached a shot from when I was running just the 7". Sorry my hand is in there. Note that when you start splitting screens on the 7, things get small pretty fast.
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just for comparison

garmin 7612xsv





humminbird solix on 455







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Without a doubt Humminbird gives the best resolution images. Note my shots above were at 455 and 800 KHZ and made with an iphone vs TroyBoy30's shots taken off the machine as screen shots (full pixel resolution).

The high frequency signal (>1MHZ) that gives the photo quality look attenuates in water pretty fast. I find for my uses (usually in 20-100 feet of water) that I have to drop to 455 KHZ to have enough "reach" to see what I need to see, especially on sidescan (say 150 feet out to the side). But even at the lower frequencies, the Humminbird gives better images. Plus my Lowrance just doesn't have the pixels on the display to show that sort of resolution.

The best images above were taken in less than 20' of water at >1MHZ.

Does Humminbird offer that tech in the <$1K price range?

Hsif Der, note also if you ever want to control your trolling motor with the unit you buy, Humminbird will interface with the GPS enabled Minn-Kota units. So if you want to interface with the Trolling motor, which is an absolutely wonderful thing, it's either Lowrance/Motor Guide or Humminbird/Minn Kota.

Before you dismiss this capability, imagine being able to touch the screen where you see fish, and punch a couple of buttons. Your trolling motor will then drive you to the location of the fish and hold position dynamically right over them in wind, current, etc. This capability by far is the best thing I've added to my boat.
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I know I'm going on and on here, but one last tidbit for Hsif Der who I suspect like me, has to watch the $$ he pours into his boat.

If you play the product cycle right you can really get some good deals. Typically new products are announced late fall/introduced for the boat shows. Previous generation models go on sale, often heavily discounted/rebated by Christmas. Also sometimes you can find refurb models at a discount.

For a guy on a budget, having the previous generation of tech can be perfectly serviceable and way cheaper. Sometimes you don't get as much, or any warranty but there's a lot of dough to be saved.

I bought my HDS7 gen2 touch with transducer (but not LSS-2) for $600 when Cabelas was blowing them out on a year-end sale, and they were being overshadowed by the then recently released gen3 units.

Got the HDS9 gen2 touch on a similar deal but this time it was a "used as new" unit I bumbled into on Amazon (would you believe $647 with transducers?). I sold the unneeded transducers and got it for net $450.

Often there are deals on refurb equipment on this site offered by the site vendors or lightly used units from users upgrading to the latest and greatest.

Requires patience and knowing what you want so you can strike immediately when the deal presents itself.
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Great info and thanks.! This doesn't make it any easier as I am struggling to make a decision between the Humminbird and Lowrance.
Based on the screenshots above, it looks like Humminbird is considerably clearer picture.
The BOE Marine website has the Humminbird Helix10 for $922, apparently with a transducer. That seems like a lot of technology for the money.
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do you have a Cabelas or Bass Pro or West Marine something like that nearby?

Go play with the units in question. You are trying to make a choice between two good things - hard to go wrong here. Just figure out what is best for your uses. Note the Helix model will not perform at the level of the Solix photos above (but will still be very, very good).

Playing with them will also give you a chance to see how the built in mapping looks for your area.

The human interface is another factor to consider. Touch vs menu driven for instance. Some folks have preferences there. Humminbird's interface is menu driven, and some complain about that sort of thing. Personally I think you'll learn whatever you buy pretty quickly if you just take some time to figure it out. But I'm a techie.
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Awesome, I just realized I have to drive right past a Bass Pro today. Great Idea!!
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BTW there are like 6 different configurations of the Helix 10. Make sure you're clear on which one you're talking about.

https://www.humminbird.com/Freshwate...%A2-10-Series/

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