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Old 02-22-2017, 08:35 PM
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Default Garmin 7610xsv or Raymarine Axiom?

I am looking to upgrade. I have never owned a Garmin or Raymarine. With the new Axiom coming out...not sure what to do. Axiom 9 or 7610xsv. I fish Lake Ontario depths from 20-500' and 3d imaging is really not a deal breaker for me and cost is not a factor. Just trying to gather some opinions from guys who have had experience with each companies products and looking to have this new unit for sometime. Thanks..
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Originally Posted by pjprod View Post
I am looking to upgrade. I have never owned a Garmin or Raymarine. With the new Axiom coming out...not sure what to do. Axiom 9 or 7610xsv. I fish Lake Ontario depths from 20-500' and 3d imaging is really not a deal breaker for me and cost is not a factor. Just trying to gather some opinions from guys who have had experience with each companies products and looking to have this new unit for sometime. Thanks..

Better pick the map(s) first or you could find yourself a very unhappy customer looking to switch mfg. Always shop the maps first so you know exactly what you are going to see where you will be running. If you run a Garmin, you get one choice and that's it. If that does not work, you are out of luck and many Garmin buyers find that out too late.
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I've never been a fan of buying new to market electronics. Raymarine just introduced Axiom I believe, and if its like every other brand new model of hi-tech electronics ever in the history of the planet there will be initial issues that Raymarine will iron out. But you don't want to be the test case. At this point we know everything about the Garmin 7600 line, and its pretty much all been documented here on THT.
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Originally Posted by Auburn1 View Post
I've never been a fan of buying new to market electronics. Raymarine just introduced Axiom I believe, and if its like every other brand new model of hi-tech electronics ever in the history of the planet there will be initial issues that Raymarine will iron out. But you don't want to be the test case. At this point we know everything about the Garmin 7600 line, and its pretty much all been documented here on THT.
This! As an early adopter of 2 Garmin 7612's it took a few software updates to get the network of devices working right. All works great now, but it took a few months.

Great system now.
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Originally Posted by greylion View Post
This! As an early adopter of 2 Garmin 7612's it took a few software updates to get the network of devices working right. All works great now, but it took a few months.

Great system now.
Not to mention pricing is a bit more flexible now on the Garmins because its been out for a while. A year ago retailers and installers wouldn't budge off of MSRP on a new 7612, now they will. I would guess the same applies to the Axiom.
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Great advice...thanks
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Originally Posted by Auburn1 View Post
Not to mention pricing is a bit more flexible now on the Garmins because its been out for a while. A year ago retailers and installers wouldn't budge off of MSRP on a new 7612, now they will. I would guess the same applies to the Axiom.
This is NOT true. The 7600units are MRP and cannot be sold for less than MRP, it is not MSRP
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Raymarine will have the 13 or so Axion variations set at MRP.

I am looking forward to seeing how these units compare both to the Garmin and the new Lowrance Carbon.


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i think the raymarine axiom in a way is positioned below the 76XX/74XX systems , which would lead me to believe there is an updated higher end model from ray coming at some point.
i think there will be kinks with both new hardware and new operating systems in the raymarine, those will get ironed out obviously.

i think soon will call for a NNSE3, V CARBON,V 74XX GARMIN, V AXIOM comparison "throw in the solix for fun"
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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
This is NOT true. The 7600units are MRP and cannot be sold for less than MRP, it is not MSRP
By MSRP I'm referring to the price you see on the Garmin website. Maybe wrong acronym, but that was the hard price a year ago. Today they will sell for less. That's based on my recent buying experience.

Regarding Axiom, and one main reason I didn't return to Raymarine, is that I wanted to use my existing 1kW 50/200 ducer without an external module. The internal sonar module of Ray unit supports a 600W ducer while Garmins support up to 1kW. According to the website that hasn't changed with the Axiom line.
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Garmin all the way if you want it done right the first time around.
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Originally Posted by InternationalMarineBrian View Post
This is NOT true. The 7600units are MRP and cannot be sold for less than MRP, it is not MSRP
Unless its a boat dealer with wholesale prices willing to sell them at great discount to sell a boat, but who wants to buy a boat to get a wholesale price on electronics? Retail is different, might be set in stone...I've see the wholesale prices of Garmin and there is a nice markup. Of course Garmin doesnt want retail stores giving discounts...then everybody will do it and the price drops.
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Raymarine just announced that they have a contract with the USGC for 2000 Axiom units. A powerful statement. From a Garmin user for 20+ years.
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The "normal" sonar in Axiom use the same transducer element as DragonFly, ax8 and eSx8. It can use use Airmar CW transducers, but not Airmar CHIRP. The Axiom "normal" sonar is a combination of eSx7 and eSx8 functionality. This is information confirmed by Raymarine.

Based on this we can conclude Axiom is far behind 74xx/76xx, Gen3, Carbon, Evo2 and Evo3 when it comes to "normal" sonar since a low Q-factor high quality CHIRP transducer can't be used.
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The axiom sits under the 74/76xx series by Garmin in a few terms.. .but that's where its intended. to sit. hense the pricing making the cp470 or 570 sonar modules more of an option.

The pre production units were a bit funky to play with. i would imagine software updates will rectify a lot of these.

i say be a trend setter and go raymarine
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The Pro which we hope to see soon will be the product more in line with the Garmin 7600 and Simrad Evo3.
I agree with Moose that pre production were funky, the production units don't seem to have those issues.
It's a pay to play world and I think the Axiom fits it well. The base unit is priced aggressively and gets you going. For the consumer that wants more, it is available and not a dead end like most price oriented products.
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The Axiom has arguably better value to shallow water fisherman with its HW chirp sonar and 3D structure all in one gyro stabilized transducer. It lacks the the ability to use Airmar chirp transducers so if you tend to fish deeper waters, the value may likely go to Garmin 7600 and Simrad NSSevo3 with their built in dual channel chirp sounders. Raymarine does offer a relatively low priced sounder in the CP470 that enables dual channel chirp. Price it out and you may find that the packages can be closer in price than you think.

It's not about "where its positioned" its about what fits your needs and budget best. None of these products are junk despite what the fanboys will tell you.

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