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Old 04-18-2006, 01:19 PM   #1
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Somebody posted this on another thread and I followed up with BRP. I'm posting a new thread, since the information might be lost in the other.

Lowrance continues to push back the ship date for their ep-20 engine interface probe. I've called them once a week since mid march and the current information is that they expect it to ship in early may. BRP, however, makes a cable that has a CAN plug on one end with a LowranceNET plug on the other end. They claim this connects the EMM to the Lowrance network. It's not clear whether or not the ep-20 is anything more than a cable - it might have some hardware that does some translation of the data to make it compatible with NMEA 2000. I *think *the CAN plug (flat 4 pin) is a standard format for manufacturers that support it, so there's a chance you could get this for some other engine other than an etec.

I've ordered the part from my local dealer and will hook it up this weekend or next. I'll post my results if nobody else beats me to it. The part number is 763517 and you can order it from your BRP dealer.

Has anybody tried this? Thoughts? Results?
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Old 04-18-2006, 01:37 PM   #2
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Cool! I would think it should work. THe only unknown is whether or not the EP-20 has some circuit that allows your Lowrance unit to "see" that device is on the CAN.
THe biggest problem is not if the messages will "travel" on the CAN, but if the Lowrance software will request and process those messages. I'm guessing that software update is the reason for the holdup as much as hardware.

Let us know how it goes.

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Old 04-18-2006, 01:40 PM   #3
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Good deal, keep us posted...I bet it works. Cost? Length?
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Old 04-18-2006, 01:42 PM   #4
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Good deal, keep us posted...I bet it works. Cost? Length?
Not sure - the dealer couldn't find the part in the catalog, but ordered it anyway. I'd bet it's 12-24" and costs $50-100. But that's just a guess.
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Old 05-07-2006, 04:03 PM   #5
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I picked this part up yesterday and installed it. Today I was able to run the engine (for the first time!). The cable is 10' long and cost $39. One end plugs into the CAN connector on the engine and the other end has a lowrance NMEA 2000 connector. I was able to see the usual engine functions like tach, alternator output, battery voltage, engine temperature, fuel burn, etc, etc. I was not, however, able to see engine trim. Maybe I need to configure the lowrance gauge differently or something like that. I didn't have much time to play with it, but it *should* work.

The bottom line is that this cable works. It's out now. And it's cheaper than lowrance's offering.

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Ran mine for the first time yesterday also. It was pretty sloppy along the beach which made it kinda difficult to play with the Lowrance stuff. Not sure which cable I have but I do know that I was getting fuel flow from the EMM so the LowranceNet is communicating with the EMM.

I seem to remember my dealer saying that engine tilt and trim required a different harness. Not sure if we installed that or not but I think we did. I do know that we have fuel level (EP-15), Oil level sensors (2 more EP-15's), an EP-50 Storage Device (I think its needed for fuel level), GPS data, Water Pressure sensors (1 per engine), Trim Tab Position, Water Temp (from an Airmar B-260) and I'm not sure what else.

So many toys - so little time.
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Fletch, did you get all your parts from Lowrance, or are some things from BRP? I need to find out about an extra harness from trim and tilt. And hooking the oil level to an ep-15 sounds like a good idea - mine is connected to the engine right now, but I don't know if it does any good. There just is not enough literature out there now and Lowrance people try to tell me that parts I've installed on my boat either don't exist or are not yet shipping. Ugh.
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I got most everything directly from Lowrance. Some parts came through BRP. I honestly don't know which came from where though. I was up to my elbows in fiberglass work and could barely manage the logisitics of my project, let alone take the time to learn about and order new stuff. My mechanic handled most of that for me.

I have some good contacts at Lowrance. If you will email me a specific list of questions you have, I will do my level best to get them answered for you. I don't have a lot of free time right now so if you'll do this to make it easy for me, I'll make an effort to get you the answers you need.
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Fletch,

I appreciate the offer to help. I just got off the phone with BRP and they assure me that there are no additional cables or connectors that send data from their engines to the NMEA 2000 network. The trim level goes from the EMM to the CANbus to the network, so I should be getting it. Maybe I have the page on the gauge configured wrong (like it's trying to display trim for a second engine, even though I've only got a single). I'll learn more next time I'm on the boat.
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Where on the engine does the 4-pin connector connect? I have a LMF-200 that I am trying to connect with my twin 2002 Suzuki DF70's.
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The Lowrance/Suzuki engine interface can't be used with engines older than 2005 model,
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Don't know if this helps you but on the yamaha engines the trim harness is separate also and needs to be disconnected and possible have a jumper installed. I forget the exact deal but I bet it's similar. I think it took maybe 2 minutes to do once I figured it out. Maybe do a search for it.
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Its sort of strange that Lowrance designed a guage (LMF-200) to work with 2002 Suzi 4-strokes, then discontinued the part that interfaces between the engine and multi-guage? Of course trying to get customer assistance from Lowrance is not easy. Still waiting on a call back!
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