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Old 11-15-2016, 01:31 PM
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I have two sets of Wet Sounds SW-808s run on the HTX-6. I want to run 1 sub woofer mounted on the front of the console door. I have no room on the back of the console or on the seat/livewell. Should i run a 10" or a 12"? are there any other brands i should look at? The JL 12" seems very pricey, probably for good reason but im not entering any competitions. The 10" wetsounds isnt too bad $$ wise but not sure if i should run a 12".

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Originally Posted by Roosty View Post
I have two sets of Wet Sounds SW-808s run on the HTX-6. I want to run 1 sub woofer mounted on the front of the console door. I have no room on the back of the console or on the seat/livewell. Should i run a 10" or a 12"? are there any other brands i should look at? The JL 12" seems very pricey, probably for good reason but im not entering any competitions. The 10" wetsounds isnt too bad $$ wise but not sure if i should run a 12".

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You have to start with the boat and the application. In marine woofers, JL Audio has a 10" IB (infinite baffle), 12" IB, and a 10" AS (air-suspension). Wetsounds has a 10" IB, a 10" AS, and two 12" AS. The applications between an IB and AS subwoofer are not interchangeable.
IB requires an expansive enclosure. Usually several cubic feet to infinite. An IB sub usually uses a boat structure/console as its enclosure. AS requires a very defined and much smaller enclosure which is always a custom build.
If bridging two channels of your HTX-6 you have the power to drive any of the 10" subwoofer options. One Wetsounds 12" is on the fringe and the other two 12" options (one JL Audio and one Wetsounds) would require a second amplifier with greater power to reach their potential.
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Also, if I understand correctly that the subwoofer would be located on the opposite side of the console (front side) from your point of perception (rear side), you will incur a significant output loss, particularly when underway. So the extra acoustic leverage of a 12-inch would be helpful in balancing with four 8" satellites.
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I am a huge fan on JL Audio, you can't go wrong with them. They are a bit more pricey, but totally worth it.
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Originally Posted by David Analog View Post
You have to start with the boat and the application. In marine woofers, JL Audio has a 10" IB (infinite baffle), 12" IB, and a 10" AS (air-suspension). Wetsounds has a 10" IB, a 10" AS, and two 12" AS. The applications between an IB and AS subwoofer are not interchangeable.
IB requires an expansive enclosure. Usually several cubic feet to infinite. An IB sub usually uses a boat structure/console as its enclosure. AS requires a very defined and much smaller enclosure which is always a custom build.
If bridging two channels of your HTX-6 you have the power to drive any of the 10" subwoofer options. One Wetsounds 12" is on the fringe and the other two 12" options (one JL Audio and one Wetsounds) would require a second amplifier with greater power to reach their potential.
The sub will mount as an infinite baffle as it will be mounted in the front of console, facing forward. I have no other place to put it facing towards the rear without major reworking of the wiring in my console. I think I should have enough power to push a single 12" and more than enough to run a single 10, enough probably to run it loud enough to compensate for sound loss while underway. Surprisingly the boat runs quieter and smoother than my other boats I've had in the past.
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Originally Posted by Roosty View Post
I want to run 1 sub woofer mounted on the front of the console door.

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Do you mean on the door itself? That could cause major rattling problems. Maybe you could show some pics or what type of boat it is.
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Originally Posted by Amity83 View Post
Do you mean on the door itself? That could cause major rattling problems. Maybe you could show some pics or what type of boat it is.
I have a Calcutta 263. The door is definitely not loose when shut as it has rubber gasket and a compression latch. So the door should be fine to hold it without any rattling.
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Generally what size enclosure does an AS sub use?
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JL is the only 12 ib sub and it booooooommmmmsssss.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
JL is the only 12 ib sub and it booooooommmmmsssss.
Will agree it goes boom and is nice. But not the only game in town. And is limited to what kind of power it can handle. The jl speaker is also really a 13+ inch speaker. Like I said tho notbthe only fame in town.
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Originally Posted by VanW View Post
Generally what size enclosure does an AS sub use?
If you meant WS then 1.1cu on the 12 and the 10 is either ib or 1.3cu
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Originally Posted by Dockholiday74 View Post
Will agree it goes boom and is nice. But not the only game in town. And is limited to what kind of power it can handle. The jl speaker is also really a 13+ inch speaker. Like I said tho notbthe only fame in town.
Are you saying I could run the ws 12 ib?
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Originally Posted by Dockholiday74 View Post
If you meant WS then 1.1cu on the 12 and the 10 is either ib or 1.3cu
Forgive my ignorance or laziness but around what size box would that be in inches? Is there a way I could make it into a step/footrest type thing? I'm thinking something like 12x12x48, maybe 2 subs?
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Pretty simple 12x12x12 box or with all equal sides of a foot would equal 1cuft of airspace. The size your suggesting would be great for two 12 inch subs. In our world of boats we don't get perfect spaces so we deal in "close". Two WS xs12's would be great there.
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Originally Posted by cajflynn View Post
Are you saying I could run the ws 12 ib?
You can definitely run the xxs12 Ib. That's a non issue.
The xs 12 can work in a lot of set ups as well. Just can't over power it.
Of this requires proper tuning.
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I would never run a low 'Q' air-suspension subwoofer in an infinite baffle application. It will handle less power, and more importantly, will sound dead and lifeless, even though it will play deep. That's a waste of a good woofer and a wasted investment when there are better application-driven alternatives. In the same way, I would never run an IB subwoofer in a modest enclosure, because it becomes more of a single-note midbass driver. Select your subwoofer for the intended use according to its design.
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Originally Posted by VanW View Post
Generally what size enclosure does an AS sub use?
On average, modern air-suspension woofers would require....for a 12-inch sub 1.2 cu.ft. gross internal (+/- 15% depending on the woofer). For a 10-inch sub .675 cu.ft. gross internal (+/- 15% depending on the model).

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