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Old 11-13-2016, 04:24 AM
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Default I want a big screen but I don't care about new tech, what do I buy?

I want a single 12-15" screen for a 23' boat. Blank slate console so no holes to worry about.

Want simple. One thru hull transducer (not crazy expensive), preferably nternal antenna, n2k only because Its silly Not to. Never care abut seeing bottom in deeper than 110', usually not deeper than 90'.

I keep seeing all these deals on 3-5 year old garmins primarily and an very tempted to jump on one vs buying a new evo 2 (seems to be the standard) or similar once the 3 pops. Point being they say you only use 10% of the functions yuor machine has, I definitely fall into that camp. I use mine 90% of the time as a chartplotter or to mark bait or shrimp on the bottom inshore. Very rarely bottom fish, not a fan.

So am I nuts for buying older tech for a fraction of the cost? Do I really need the latest and greatest in this case? I should add I'm not a cheap person, just feel like the cost difference 4-5k vs 1.5-2.5k to outfit a boat that will rarely see the need for it is silly.

Edit to add: not trying to put a super cheap unit on boat, looking at older garmin touch screens mostly like 7212 and 7215, which aren't really all that old. Basically if I can buy something from the guy that's upgrades every two or three years and takes good care of his stuff I will.

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Originally Posted by Double tyme View Post
I want a single 12-15" screen for a 23' boat. Blank slate console so no holes to worry about.

Want simple. One thru hull transducer (not crazy expensive), preferably nternal antenna, n2k only because Its silly Not to. Never care abut seeing bottom in deeper than 110', usually not deeper than 90'.

I keep seeing all these deals on 3-5 year old garmins primarily and an very tempted to jump on one vs buying a new evo 2 (seems to be the standard) or similar once the 3 pops. Point being they say you only use 10% of the functions yuor machine has, I definitely fall into that camp. I use mine 90% of the time as a chartplotter or to mark bait or shrimp on the bottom inshore. Very rarely bottom fish, not a fan.

So am I nuts for buying older tech for a fraction of the cost? Do I really need the latest and greatest in this case? I should add I'm not a cheap person, just feel like the cost difference 4-5k vs 1.5-2.5k to outfit a boat that will rarely see the need for it is silly.

Edit to add: not trying to put a super cheap unit on boat, looking at older garmin touch screens mostly like 7212 and 7215, which aren't really all that old. Basically if I can buy something from the guy that's upgrades every two or three years and takes good care of his stuff I will.
I am like you to a degree. Mainly use it for a chartpliotter. The 7212 are nice because they are fast compared to the 4xxx and 5xxx models. Almost as fast as current models. I actually might have a complete 7212 coming up for sale. Was going to to triple screens but won't fit the way I want it to.
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I am like you to a degree. Mainly use it for a chartpliotter. The 7212 are nice because they are fast compared to the 4xxx and 5xxx models. Almost as fast as current models. I actually might have a complete 7212 coming up for sale. Was going to to triple screens but won't fit the way I want it to.
Couple guys I fish with are tech geniuses but then I go for a cruise with the wife after one of them messes with all my settings and I can't see a damn thing.

Single (mechanical) engine, no real need for top notch sounder, I just don't see the point. One big screen to eliminate dash clutter seems like the way to go.
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I have a 5212 for sale if you're interested.
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At the moment I would get Garmin 7215 or an 8215, if you can find one or a 7212 or 8212.


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The Garmin 1242xsv is a bargain at $2699.99 with built in antenna, sounder, wifi and more
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Originally Posted by Double tyme View Post
Couple guys I fish with are tech geniuses but then I go for a cruise with the wife after one of them messes with all my settings and I can't see a damn thing.

Single (mechanical) engine, no real need for top notch sounder, I just don't see the point. One big screen to eliminate dash clutter seems like the way to go.
I agree with all what your saying. The big advantage to me with the older 7xxx series is the speed of the processor. Hey are like using an iPhone 6. Still easy and simple but your not standing around waiting for a map to load.
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The Garmin 1242xsv is a bargain at $2699.99 with built in antenna, sounder, wifi and more
I agree that's a good price and that's a great unit, I just don't know that's it's worth it to spend the extra money for my needs. What will that unit do that say a 7212 won't? Aside from the wifi. Though I do like the built in antenna, as it goes back to my desire for simplicity.

I should add this is a single screen setup going on a 23' single engine boat that will Be rigged to fish but by no means exclusively a fishing boat. It's also a ground up restoration meaning there ar plenty of expenses along the way.
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I agree that's a good price and that's a great unit, I just don't know that's it's worth it to spend the extra money for my needs. What will that unit do that say a 7212 won't? Aside from the wifi. Though I do like the built in antenna, as it goes back to my desire for simplicity.

I should add this is a single screen setup going on a 23' single engine boat that will Be rigged to fish but by no means exclusively a fishing boat. It's also a ground up restoration meaning there ar plenty of expenses along the way.
If you get a 7212 or 8212, you will also have to buy a separate sounder unit for depth and fish, as it is not built in. You would be looking at a GSD 24 or 25 for chirp. Add an extra $500 for one of those.

Plus, if you are looking for touchscreen, the 1242xs is not touch. It has a knob and buttons that let you control functions/panning/etc.
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I would recommend a remanufactured or outgoing model. I don't know if there are any more remanufactured NSS12 Evo2 available, you can check with BOE Marine or International Marine (both THT sponsors). NSS Evo3 will soon be introduced so I assume the Evo2 price will be reduced.
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Originally Posted by arosmarin View Post
If you get a 7212 or 8212, you will also have to buy a separate sounder unit for depth and fish, as it is not built in. You would be looking at a GSD 24 or 25 for chirp. Add an extra $500 for one of those.

Plus, if you are looking for touchscreen, the 1242xs is not touch. It has a knob and buttons that let you control functions/panning/etc.
IM Brian was talking about the xsv above which is touch screen. And while I won't let it make the decision, the lower profile of the xsv/evo series sure does look sexy.

Good point about the separate sounder. And that's just the brain right, not the transducer. In my very simplified understanding the GSD is like the processor for the ducer.
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This is on the parts forum now for $2,000


Garmin 7212 w G2 Vision Card. Garmin HD 18 Radar. Has swivel mount for the 7212. Only a few years old and in good shape. It came out of my Parker pilothouse. My new boat has electronics so I don't need them.

Also includes GSD 22, GMS 10, and G2 vision card.


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I would recommend a remanufactured or outgoing model. I don't know if there are any more remanufactured NSS12 Evo2 available, you can check with BOE Marine or International Marine (both THT sponsors). NSS Evo3 will soon be introduced so I assume the Evo2 price will be reduced.
Forget who but they both have good deals and good reps, one of them has a reman garmin 12" i think for under 2k right now.

I'm banking On the same thing with the evo2. I'm currently just keeping my eyes peeled for something I can't pass up.
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This is on the parts forum now for $2,000


Garmin 7212 w G2 Vision Card. Garmin HD 18 Radar. Has swivel mount for the 7212. Only a few years old and in good shape. It came out of my Parker pilothouse. My new boat has electronics so I don't need them.

Also includes GSD 22, GMS 10, and G2 vision card.


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Think I saw that. So what else would I need on this to be plug and play? N2k wires and a transducer? Or antenna too?

EDIT- moot point, it's sold.
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Newer RM stuff came with the boat I bought last year...I like it very much. No experience with any Garmin newer than a 52xx series, I believe. I also like touch and buttons so maybe an e12

The eS series are pretty sweet, too, but may be more than what you want.

Pretty sure I have an extra RM Lighthouse map chip you could have, too, if you wanted it and went this route.

c97 hooked to a B60 ducer offshore here in ~90'....seabass is what is on the screen for the most part.
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Originally Posted by Double tyme View Post
I want a single 12-15" screen for a 23' boat. Blank slate console so no holes to worry about.

Want simple. One thru hull transducer (not crazy expensive), preferably nternal antenna, n2k only because Its silly Not to. Never care abut seeing bottom in deeper than 110', usually not deeper than 90'.

I keep seeing all these deals on 3-5 year old garmins primarily and an very tempted to jump on one vs buying a new evo 2 (seems to be the standard) or similar once the 3 pops. Point being they say you only use 10% of the functions yuor machine has, I definitely fall into that camp. I use mine 90% of the time as a chartplotter or to mark bait or shrimp on the bottom inshore. Very rarely bottom fish, not a fan.

So am I nuts for buying older tech for a fraction of the cost? Do I really need the latest and greatest in this case? I should add I'm not a cheap person, just feel like the cost difference 4-5k vs 1.5-2.5k to outfit a boat that will rarely see the need for it is silly.

Edit to add: not trying to put a super cheap unit on boat, looking at older garmin touch screens mostly like 7212 and 7215, which aren't really all that old. Basically if I can buy something from the guy that's upgrades every two or three years and takes good care of his stuff I will.
I just bought this from BOE, Garmin 8212 with a GSD25 from them for under $2k. Was $4999 just for the 8212 last week. Happy, happy, happy. Ask them if they'll package it like that for you. https://www.boemarine.com/pages/garm...ers-and-remans
Or you can get the GDS25 here. http://www.thegpsstore.com/Garmin-GS...er--P4242.aspx

If not I have a Pal that bought a bunch of them to resell if they run out.

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I just bought this from BOE, Garmin 8212 with a GSD25 from them for under $2k. Was $4999 just for the 8212 last week. Happy, happy, happy. Ask them if they'll package it like that for you. https://www.boemarine.com/pages/garm...ers-and-remans
Or you can get the GDS25 here. http://www.thegpsstore.com/Garmin-GS...er--P4242.aspx

If not I have a Pal that bought a bunch of them to resell if they run out.
Yeah, see that right there is a smoking deal.
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We had the same 8212 units for $1285.00 with free shipping. That was the deal to get in on for sure.

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Yeah, see that right there is a smoking deal.
And it includes a Garmin antenna and NMEA kit for $1599. ENOUGH SAID!

Also, BOE are the only ones that have any left. Run, don't walk!
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IM Brian was talking about the xsv above which is touch screen. And while I won't let it make the decision, the lower profile of the xsv/evo series sure does look sexy.

Good point about the separate sounder. And that's just the brain right, not the transducer. In my very simplified understanding the GSD is like the processor for the ducer.
I just accidentally left the "v" off the unit name. 1242xsv is a keyed unit, no touchscreen.

You are correct, the GSD 24/25 is the brain and you would still need a transducer if you went that route and coupled it with a 7212 or 8212.

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