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Old 12-13-2002, 09:10 PM
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I have a Garmin 2006C with the GDS20 sounder adapter with a Airmar thru hull triducer with high speed fairing. I personally don't like the split screen and I am considering a stand alone fish finder. Possibly a color Fuerno unit. Can it utilize the same tranducer? Can I run both the GDS20 and the stand alone Fuerno off of the 1 thru hull transducer?
I also plan on adding an autopilot and radar on my 23" pilothouse with outboard. I am leaning towards a Simrad AP-14 and a Fuerno 1712. Comments? Will the ap. and radar tie in to the Garmin? Will my Icom M502 tie into the GPS to transmitt position in the distress mode?
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Old 12-13-2002, 09:38 PM
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I am tempted to say, "shit, I don't know ......"

OK, no, you can't run both machines off the same transducer. The display unit provides the power to ping the transducer and there is some very precise timeing involved here, the transducer could not receive power from two sources and distinguish between them.

The Simarad auto pilot and the Furuno radar are both excellent machines. You will also be able to meet the data requirements of the auto pilot and your radio with the Garmin chartplotter and while you're at it spend the additional $35 for the data cable and connect that radar to it as well. The furuno will show any waypoint you have activated (as a Go To only) on the radar screen. It can be nice to see it.

I personally like the 1712 Radar and was heart torn between it and the Raytheon SL-72 when I bought the one on our boat. For reasons of my own I chose the Raytheon, but those may not have been reasons (actually just one reason) that are of any concern to you. Anyway I could have flipped a coin on it and not have given a tinker's dam which way it landed.

When it comes time to do the wireing for all this stuff give me a yell and I'll give you the appropriate wire colors from each device if you are having any trouble unscrambeling the mess in the various manuals. Sometimes when you're trying to get three or four things talking to each other it can get to be a bit confusing. I've been throught it a few times and can usually figure them out though.

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Old 12-14-2002, 06:24 AM
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As Thom said you will not be able to use the two fishfinders together. I believe that the same transducer will work for the Furuno 600L or 582L so you could add a fishfinder without replacing the transducer. You would need an adapter cable to convert from the Garmin connecter to the Furuno connector. You could add a switch box that would allow you to switch between fishfinders. I believe Airmar (the transducer manufacturer) can supply the switch and the necessary cables.

The rest of the electronics should be able to be interfaced as you described. The radar can be interfaced with both plotter and fishfinder.

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Old 12-14-2002, 08:02 AM
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Both radars Thom metioned work well,But if your a first time radar owner user I would suggest the Raytheon over the Furuno,I believe its more user friendly in the aspect of learning how to use it at the get go.Furuno is a great unit Im not saying it isnt ,I own the Furuno 1712 and Im happy with it.Furuno's manuals are not the best for someone who is a first time buyer,I owned Furuno CRT radar with a nine year track record with excellent reliability which persuaded my decision.JMO

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I really have to agree with Reel Hungry. The manuals that Raytheon puts out are second to none. They give outstanding information, not only about the machines in general, how to use them, how to install them, how to trouble shoot them, just everything. They are clear and all inclusive.

By contrast the Furuno manuals may as well come from mars. They are very difficult to understand, incomplete, and sometimes not even particularly accurate about the capabilities of the machines they come with. It really helps to already know what you're getting into when you buy any Furuno device. Now, don't let that discourage you from buying Furuno eqipment, which generally is excellent stuff, just realize that the manuals aren't gonna be of much help.

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Old 12-14-2002, 11:12 AM
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If you want to have a radar and a new full screen fishfinder, the 7" NavNet Furuno radar such as the 1733C with the blackbox sounder is probably the best combination of features and will ony require one more display on your console. I have the 10" version and it is an excellent radar and an excellent fishfinder (equal to a 582L). The Navnet radars have a slightly better manual than the 1712 and work much better (I had a 1712 on my old boat). It also has a plotter bult in that would work ifyou fed the GPS NMEA otput from the Garmin or a separate GPS sensor. But from my previous posts, some of you know that I think the Furuno plotter function is totally lame, nowhere near the level of the radar and sounder on the same box.

As noted, you can get a transducer switch and have the Garmin share the transducer with the Furuno, but you can;t use both at once.
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Thom, What was the one reason that you chose the Ratheon radar over the Fuerno? Does the Simrad AP-14 get your approval?
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The one thing for me, and to tell the truth I don't now remember exactly which set it was, but there was an inability to display interfaced information, stuff that came from the GPS I think it was, in the units of my choice if other devices had been set to other units for display. And while I don't know remember the spicifics it was something like I could not get a feed from my depth finder in fathoms to display on the radar screen if I had my GPS set to statute miles but the radar range set to nautical miles .... or something like that. It was a couple of years ago and I really don't remember now. With the Raytheon I can put up secondary displays (data boxes of my choice) in any units of measurement I like, all independent of each other.

As for the Simrad auto pilot, all Simrad auto pilots get my seal of approval (for the very little value it has) so its just a matter of finding the one that best suits your boat. My personal favorite for most large-small boats (anything inboard powered or generally above about 25 feet) is the AP-11. Of course the AP-11 is a couple of hundred bucks more expensive than the AP-14 and you may not want to put out the extra cash. As to the AP-14 itself, well, its really just the AP-12 with a numeric display and a hand held control. I personally do not see any value in the hand held control, but that has a alot more to do with my habits when driving than anything else. I also tend to think that the numeric display on the auto pilot has little value, but that too is just a personal preference.

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