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Old 05-31-2016, 04:45 PM
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Default Electronics installers seem to be pushing Garmin...

Building a new trawler later this year and of course we are beginning to look at electronics. As a result of some less than happy moments with the Raymarine gear we've had for the past 11 years, I eliminated them from the list.
My gut is to go with Furuno. Reading posts here and other places Furuno seems to have a solid reputation for support and decent if not leading edge technology.
Imagine my surprise when installer after installer says "go with Garmin..." As a matter of fact the last three electronics people I've spoken to say the same thing....Garmin.
Yet...I read posts here about, among other things, dificulty updating software with Garmin...
I haven't read many complaints about Furuno...or am I living in the past?
Are these installers pushing a product they make money on? Is Furuno slipping and not the company of past? Is Garmin truly just better?
This will be an expensive package and I'd like to get it right! We won't take delivery until next spring so we've got plenty of time to research the products and in fact we should probably get access to whatever new equipment is introduced later this year...
Curious,
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I just went through the same thing, I opted to go with furuno and very glad I did. There is a reason all the charter guys seem to use furuno. Seems to me the Furuno radar and sounders out perform the others year in and year out. Garmin is currently in a lawsuit over there sounder technology, apperantly they stole it is the word around town. Good luck in what you choose!
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That has been my gut feeling from the beginning.
No issues with your Furuno gear then?
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Furuno :thumbsup
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Furuno = durability, stable, long supported.

Garmin products have a much shorter shelf life and are not supported long term. They also seem to have the need for constant software updates to work bugs out. I switched from Garmin to Furuno when my 4.5 year old Garmin was no longer supported while the Furuno VX2 series (released on 2001) is still strongly supported by Furuno,

I will say that I dont think the lawsuit against Garmin is a big deal. All the electronics companies seem to sue each other...

As far as technology goes, Furuno doesnt really offer recreational grade down scan or side scan. However their sounders are still at the top of the heap and none better at marking fish across an entire water column IMHO.

PS. I am not sure about Garmin having an easier user interface. I dont think the TZT or the TZT2 series could be any simpler. Check out the youtube videos on how easy the units are to use.
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I have not used a TZ Touch yet but I've purchased the Nobeltec TZ app...it is as easy as any chart plotter I've ever used. I have played with Garmin touchscreen plotters at West and found it neither easier or more difficult...
I have also watched every YouTube video I can find on the different equipment.
Not sure I need a side scan sonar...or any sonar? Why do I want a sonar on a trawler?
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Find a installer that actually fishes and go with Furuno.
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Originally Posted by Bruce B View Post
I have not used a TZ Touch yet but I've purchased the Nobeltec TZ app...it is as easy as any chart plotter I've ever used. I have played with Garmin touchscreen plotters at West and found it neither easier or more difficult...
I have also watched every YouTube video I can find on the different equipment.
Not sure I need a side scan sonar...or any sonar? Why do I want a sonar on a trawler?
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So you know how deep it is?
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Originally Posted by VanW View Post
So you know how deep it is?
Depth sounder for depth...? Sonar for finding fish?
I find fish at the fish market!
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I just installed 2 12" furuno tz2 and so far think there great. Also installed dff1-uhd with a b275 ducer but have not had the chance for a test just yet. Hopefully this week. And paid for the new furuno radar nxt just waiting for it to arrive! So I went balls out with furuno this go around and what I have so far I am extremely pleased with. Very easy to install as well, seems to be very user friendly
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Here is my install
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Here is my 2 cents. Furuno puts out a product is on the market for years. Good solid well made. Other manufactures change models every year or every other year. Why? Cause they did not get it right? Or just want to look like they keep improving. For me it's Furuno they get it right the first time.
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Originally Posted by bradv View Post
garmin easier install, easier user interface, and they give rebates to installers.
im thinking garmin must have a bigger profit margin than others.....
sure seems the guys sellin them here push harder towards garmin than others also...
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Garmin cater to the 'Recreational Market" professionals use Furuno, Koden, Simrad (not Simrad Yachting) Kongsberg and JRC.
Recreational dealers are not familiar with such equipment so are hardly in a position to compare.
The 2 major differences between Japanese and European manufacturers at the professional level are that Furuno and Koden go for dated mechanical but reliable tactile switches as opposed to touch screens. The Japanese sounders concentrate on heavy thumping transmitters into big rubberized or bronze transducers while Europeans like Kongsberg who supply Simrad have specialized in transducer design (due to their military research) requiring far less power.
IMHO Garmin and Lowrance due to competition to invent yet another unwanted gimmick that wasn't part of the original sale, requiring yet another update that introduce yet more bugs requiring another update will never end.
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I went the Furuno route and am very happy I did. As I read all the post in the electronics forum here you see constant issues and updates with both Garmin and Simrad. As others have said Furuno = reliability and great support.
I called tech support last week, was on hold less than five minutes and the tech walked me through what I need help on. He patiently waited while I crawled under the helm and switched some wiring to correct the issue. I haven't heard anything good about support from other brands except from the tht'ers here helping.
I installed my own system and it was fairly easy. I posted my wiring diagram on Furuno forum and got their input and they liked it. I don't think you can do that with the other brands.
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Originally Posted by ReelPlumber View Post
I went the Furuno route and am very happy I did. As I read all the post in the electronics forum here you see constant issues and updates with both Garmin and Simrad. As others have said Furuno = reliability and great support.
I called tech support last week, was on hold less than five minutes and the tech walked me through what I need help on. He patiently waited while I crawled under the helm and switched some wiring to correct the issue. I haven't heard anything good about support from other brands except from the tht'ers here helping.
I installed my own system and it was fairly easy. I posted my wiring diagram on Furuno forum and got their input and they liked it. I don't think you can do that with the other brands.
Great info. I just ordered and installed on my own a TZT2 12 to replace on older VX2. The user interface is easy to use and I really like it so far. I had a question on your install, why did you go with the hub 101 vs a standard ethernet swich that costs $40? I did just that to connect my DFF1, BBWX3 and TZT2 and seems to work great. I don't have much more than that connected in the network, but was vascilating on getting the 101. Is it because you have more units in the network?
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Furuno trackball is a liability but my older Garmin stuff had multiple issues each.
I have a Furuno GP30 nearly 20 years old that still is used to show TDs.My same aged FCV 667 was still working when I gave it away.Never had a single issue.

That being said I have a Furuno MFD and Radar,an 1870 for waypoint capacity and 2 Garmins one for SV and and one backup.

I would never consider a single Garmin on any offshore boat but would feel confident with a Furuno.
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Originally Posted by wiredup42 View Post
Great info. I just ordered and installed on my own a TZT2 12 to replace on older VX2. The user interface is easy to use and I really like it so far. I had a question on your install, why did you go with the hub 101 vs a standard ethernet swich that costs $40? I did just that to connect my DFF1, BBWX3 and TZT2 and seems to work great. I don't have much more than that connected in the network, but was vascilating on getting the 101. Is it because you have more units in the network?
Not understanding that a standard switch would work I went with the Hub101. I did find out by the Furuno tech that there is an update coming out for the Hub101 with the Sirius connection. I did not realize a switch could be software updated.;?
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I run Nobeltec Timezero using a laptop on my trawler. The boat has 2000ish Raymarine equipment installed and originally I had purchased Nobeltec to run as a backup to the main electronics. After using Nobeltec for a few months, except for the radar the Raymarine system has become the backup.

Two years later I have now installed two TZtouch2 units in my 26' Center Console and couldn't be happier. The TZtouch2 interface is very similar to Nobeltec.

I decided to wait on upgrading the electronics in the trawler because since it is a pilot house and relatively out of the weather the laptop makes sense for now. One day the plan is to have a single 15'' TZtouch2 networked to the laptop running Nobeltec including the NXT radar.

The only reason I put two TZT2 units in the Center Console is for the Sounder/Fishfinder. On my previous fishing boat I used a separate Garmin plotter and Furuno Sounder. I really got used to two independent units, one for finding good bottom and the other for navigation.

On the Trawler I only need navigation so one unit with the laptop as a backup will be sufficient.
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only VERY SPECIAL and expensive switches need update ...... the ones used on boats are pretty simple and old tech ......

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