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Old 02-28-2015, 06:22 PM
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Default XSV or EVO 2 on New Build

Thought I had it all figured out, but second guessing things as technology is seemingly changing by the minute!

Brand new 27ft CC
will require radar and MFD
be fishing primarily in waters <300 ft
was set on NSS 12 Evo2, Gs25, 4G radar, LSS-2 and 175H-W

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Garmin 7612xsv with equivalent compliments

I realize very few, if any, have real world experience with the latter;

I am am quite certain that I am over thinking this, but I just don't want buyers remorse down the line.
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I like the option of using the buttons on tbe Simrad.
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I'm down to the same two as well as a Lawrence HDS setup. I kind of like buttons too. However the 7612xsv works with the Garmin GRID Garmin Remote Input Device which gives you a set of buttons that you can place where ever you like and can control multiple screens.

So I'm still stuck deciding between the three.
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Flblue, thats correct. Concern would be being able to mount tbe grid keypad in a position that it was intuitive for the user. On a fresh dash this will be easier than on a refit.
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We have installed many 8000 series units with the GRID remote input devices. The 7600 series will operate the exact same way. You will be happy with both units but if it were my choice I would go with he new 7600 Garmin. You can install it as touch and then add the GRID later if you are not happy. This way you save the money on something that you may not really need. Just plan ahead and leave an area for mounting.

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Go find a store with Simrad and Garmin, play around with them and pick the one you like using better. Both systems are very capable. I haven't heard great things about GRID. If buttons are your main concern, the Simrad interface is more refined. You can probably safely use a. 8000 series Garmin to get a feel for the 7612 user interface.
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Thanks for the suggestions!

I had Garmin on my previous boat and have fished with the EVO 2 over several 30hr canyon trips this past summer.

I believe (from my prospective) both units are very intuitive

I was wondering if there was a "technology advantage" to either product, or if they are pretty much built around the same platform.

In my small circle of friends I consider myself a bit of a marine electronics geek, but you guys take it to an entirely different level

Thanks you all for your input.
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I just went through same process as you on new build. I ended up going with Garmin xsv. For me I liked all in one transducers options of new units, it simplified build process for me on catamaran. I did go to the MIBS and used touch screen. It was nice and responsive. I did use Grid.... after using touch screen buttons seemed slow and cumbersome. Of course that was in a 72 degree convention center with warm dry non-slimy fingers. I didn't order GRID but left spot for it on dash.
I did speak to some boat builders to get there thoughts....I will keep there names to myself so as not to violate there confidences but they encouraged Garmin b/c of all glitch software type issues they have had over last 2 years with Simrad. Could this happen in new Garmin release.... you bet, time will tell but from there perspective over last 2 years it hasn't with Garmin installs.

Just little food for thought. I am certainly not trying to bash the Simrad products. Lots of folks have them and are happy with them.

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Boat builders are probably some of the last people to consult when it comes to electronics selection They are known to do a lousy install of the brand giving them the largest margins.
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Originally Posted by abbor View Post
Boat builders are probably some of the last people to consult when it comes to electronics selection They are known to do a lousy install of the brand giving them the largest margins.
Abbot - certainly probably fair criticism is some cases. Builders' thoughts and opinions are another source of data to value as OP sees fit. My rationale for not naming names was, like all industries, the circle of those involved is small. I don't want to say Joe from Smith boat co said x brand was junk etc., etc. It certainly doesn't do Joe any good in case some day he's working with that brand. Heck who knows this XSV launch may implode with glitches and crashes. If it does I will be a victim and SIMRAD will be the beneficiary. Just giving the OP my past 6 month experiences which brewers similar to what he is going through now.

For the record I don't have special access to or a huge stable of boat builder friends..... I'm just average new boat buyer who has THT based OCD that is especially bad during the winter months.

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I was originally sold on the Evo2's, however, then I learned about the new 7600 units from Garmin, at the same time I started to notice that the Evo2's are giving a lot of people a hard time and Simrad doesnt seem to be giving any solutions, based on many posts on this forum. The fact that the Evo2 cant display sonar and sidescan on the same screen at the same time just has me scratching my head. I cant believe that they cant figure that out....yet the Garmin will display anything you would like it to on the same screen at the same time (Sonar, downscan, sidescan and now their new Panotix). I dont know what kind of fishing you do but for me in SW Florida, being able to have the ability to see those different scans at the same time is essential.
Not trying to bash the Simrad, they are good units, but if sonar is what is important to you, and you want the newest technology....I would take a really hard look at the Garmin units.
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NSS Evo2 can display CHIRP and SideScan at the same time, but a SonarHub, StructureScan box (LSS-1 or LSS-2) or an additional NSS Evo2 (or Lowrance HDS Touch or Gen3) is needed. NSS Evo2 has never been claimed by Navico to support CHIRP and full StructureScan at the same time without additional hardware.

Only fixed frequencies (50, 83 or 200 kHz depending on transducer) are supported simultaneously with SideScan without additional hardware.
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Having never owned Simrad.

How is their Customer Support? Tough to beat Garmin. Also, 4G radar kicks arse.... TOUGH decision and I'm right there with ya'll wondering who is getting my 9-10k this spring.
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Originally Posted by abbor View Post
NSS Evo2 can display CHIRP and SideScan at the same time, but a SonarHub, StructureScan box (LSS-1 or LSS-2) or an additional NSS Evo2 (or Lowrance HDS Touch or Gen3) is needed. NSS Evo2 has never been claimed by Navico to support CHIRP and full StructureScan at the same time without additional hardware.
Right, and it is my opinion that this is a fail.
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Originally Posted by Lima Bravo View Post
Having never owned Simrad.

How is their Customer Support? Tough to beat Garmin. Also, 4G radar kicks arse.... TOUGH decision and I'm right there with ya'll wondering who is getting my 9-10k this spring.
Search this forum....lots of threads about Simrad customer support....most are not good. I do not have first hand experience, but I, like you, want to be sure that whatever product I spend a small fortune on has support that stands behind their product...when reading some threads on here, it seems that Simrad is missing the mark.
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I went thru same choice. Hell I had the Simrad gear at my builders in boxes and put the brakes on after Garmin announced the new xsv units. After a lot of off forum discussion with folks in the know about the new Garmin units well, Garmin it is.
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I really wonder the percentages of happy EVO 2 owners vs the unhappy. The boat I fish on has dual 12'' EVO's and a 9' in the crows nest, as well as a 4G radar. After over 100 hours, the equipment has been flawless. That is one of my reasons for looking into Simrad. On the other spectrum, I also never had a problem with my old Garmin unit after 400 hours. I will run dual units so simultaneous chirp/structure scan is not a major issue. I was wondering if any of the "tech geeks" on THT had any strong opinion on one technology vs the other.
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Shared sonar and structure scan on one screen..a very nice feature to have built in with any unit.

Simrad did not chose to incorporate the feature of shared structure and 2D sonar at the same time on a single screen with the evo2.
To do so currently requires added equipment.
They must have has their reasons.
But that should be thing of the past with new software...and will be much welcomed.

By comparison... Garmin's units has that feature even in the entry level echoMap units such as the 74sv....and is included in all the sv and xsv units.
And the new xsv units have 4 windows to share the Down Vu, Side Vu and 2D sonar with.
A good bit of useful information at one glance..and all built in.

With these new Simrad and Garmin systems there are no losers here..except for the fish.

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I really wonder the percentages of happy EVO 2 owners vs the unhappy. The boat I fish on has dual 12'' EVO's and a 9' in the crows nest, as well as a 4G radar. After over 100 hours, the equipment has been flawless. That is one of my reasons for looking into Simrad. On the other spectrum, I also never had a problem with my old Garmin unit after 400 hours. I will run dual units so simultaneous chirp/structure scan is not a major issue. I was wondering if any of the "tech geeks" on THT had any strong opinion on one technology vs the other.
My strong opinion is to try them and go with the one you like using better. I can make a kick ass system out of either manufacturer. When I tried them both, I preferred the Simrad user interface. More intuitive for me.
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Right, and it is my opinion that this is a fail.
So because a product that is over one year older can not do what a not yet shipping product can do, it's a fail? That is an incindiary comment and just name calling. It is called technology. It moves forward. Is every Garmin product currently available (including the 8000 series) a fail because it doesn't have built in CHIRP sonar and side vu? I don't think so.

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