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Old 10-01-2014, 07:24 PM
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Hey guys, long time lurker here. I've enjoyed reading your debates on electronics setups and advantages of different manufacturers. So now it's time to out fit my new Parker 2320 that is incoming. Came from dealer with nothing, so I need gps/ fish finder/ vid/ and a stereo system. We fish Long Island sound which is mostly 10-150 ft of water. Not really more or less depth than that. We do slot of flunking, porgy, sea bass, Striper, blue, and black fishing. Would be good to be able to see some structure on the bottom. Also radio has to be able to get Sirius whether thru my phone or Bluetooth. My budget for electronics is about 6-7k for everything. Radar would be nice if I can fit it to budget but not necessary. Would also like labor in that number. So what do you guys think? Any advice is appreciated
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For that budget, you can do alot. Raymarine, Simrad and Si-Tex would be my choices with either a single12 inch screen or even 2- 7 or 9 inch screens. A 4kw Radar dome unit and quality transducer and you are set. All three manufacturers make very nice units. Si-Tex is more commercially used. They are right in Riverhead, NY. ..very nice folks. Lots of choices...
Old 10-02-2014, 07:27 AM
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thanks capt, ill def look into them. any thoughts on whether I should mix and match the brands or just get everything the same. im thinking maybe they will integrate better if they all match
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Most of today's modern electronics integrate well as you can see in my signature. However, the brands I mentioned and the budget you have will afford you a nice package within one brand. Simrad and Si-Tex are known for their sounding equipment and Raymarine is known for having a good appearance, and ease of use. If you look at equipment chosen by commercial fishermen, they choose Furuno, Si-Tex, and Simrad. I will say that Si- Tex has superb tech support. Hope this helps
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Get everything from one brand. You should get a 1 channel CHIRP sounder and a down scanning plus a sides canning sounder. B175H-W will by far be the best transducer, but you can manage with B150M.

Given the above Simrad and Garmin are the brands to consider.

Simrad NSS12 Evo2 with B175H-W transducer and a 3G or 4G radar is something worth considering. Garmin is in my opinion a bit behind with their current offering in this class, but new models will be presented at Ft Lauderdale Boat Show at the end of this month.
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Abbor gave some good advice. I have a Garmin and I am not happy with the chartplotter portion of the machine with regard to the charts. Simrad, Si-Tex, and Raymarine will use Navionics or C- Map charts...both are excellent but I would choose C-Map Max if I had to choose. Simrad and Garmin I believe will be the only one in the above lineup with CHIRP technology. As for a VHF radio, Standard Horizon GX 1700 Explorer gets my vote with a built in stand alone GPS for DSC distress calling, and a good pricepoint.
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Garmin with a B175 CHW ducer would be my go to for you . The 24xhd radar will be an easy install as well
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Glad I found this thread as I ordered a 2015 Parker 2520 xld. I am thinking of a Garmin 1040 xs but going to hold off till the AC Boat Show in Feb before purchase in case they come out with a 12" unit.
In regards to the B150 M transducer I see that it is only a 300 watt transducer. Most of my fishing is in water 5-75'. I will make about a dozen trips from mid shore to the canyon next season with this boat. As I understand it this b150 should be able to read up to 1500'. What would the advantages be in using the B 175 H-W?
I had installed a Standard Horizon GX 1700 Explorer two years ago on my old boat. It was the best radio I have used to date. Nice and clear and great range. I had some days this year where I was listening to guys 30-40 miles off.
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There will be two major differences between B150M and B175H-W. Due to a constant 25 degrees cone angle and no sidelobes B175H-W will produce much crisper images especially at short distance (shallow water or close to the surface in deeper waters). B175H-W has higher sensitivity and power rating than B150M, so even with higher frequencies it will reach deeper. B175H-W has also shown to be much better to discriminate targets close to the bottom than other transducers. Another advantage og B175H-W is the higher frequencis (up to 210 or 250kHz depending on sounder) which will help in showing finer details. In my opinion the Wide transducer (like B175H-W, but also available combined with 1, 2 and 3 kW Low elements in dual channel transducers) together with introduction of CHIRP the most spectacular which has happened to fishfinders in the 20 years I've been using such technology. (It is of course possible to argue that for some application scanning sounders could be a more important technology, but at least for my fishing it's not)

First screen shot with TM150M and the second with B175H-W. Notice how much crisper everything from the surface down to 7m (~25') is with B175H-W than TM150M. When we get deeper the sidelobes of TM150M dies out so the difference is less until TM150M stsrts to get problems with the sensitivity (at much larger depth than this screen shot).

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now this is going to sound like a stupid question, and im prepared to get laughed at, But my current fishfinder is so old that when it detects a fish it actually shows a synbol of a fish on my screen lol. Am I right in assuming that those arches are fish? how do I read one of these?
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Yes, the arcs are fish and the "clouds" are shoals of bait fish.

You should switch off the symbols on your fishfinder. It's much easier to understand what you see without the symbols. With symbols noise will look like fish, when you gain experience it will be easy to distinguish fish from noise.
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Well one BIG difference between the two is pricepoint...............The B 150 is a little over 300 and the 175 is 1200.............Rigging the whole boat I have to be a little concerned with $$$$.
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So what I'm seeing in that image then is a bunch of bait fish moving on top of the water and a decent group of fish right off the bottom, either feeding off the bait or waiting for the bait to drop. Correct me if I'm wrong but that looks like a pretty good spot to fish lol. That's what I would want my fish finder to look like
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I think I'm liking the whole simrad package, 9 inch touch screen plus chirp and a 4g radar, sound like a nice setup. Do you guys think I need a 2nd screen? I think it would look less crowded and sleeker with just the one.
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I think that would be a fine choice/ setup. Simrad makes quality products.
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I think I'm liking the whole simrad package, 9 inch touch screen plus chirp and a 4g radar, sound like a nice setup. Do you guys think I need a 2nd screen? I think it would look less crowded and sleeker with just the one.
If you plan to run 2D sounder, StructureScan, charts and radar at one 9" screen this will be too crowded. You minimum need a 12" for that. You could add a 7" to the 9". I would also prefer two 7"units over one 9", the price of two NSS7 Evo2 is comparable to NSS9 Evo2.
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I think I'm liking the whole simrad package, 9 inch touch screen plus chirp and a 4g radar, sound like a nice setup. Do you guys think I need a 2nd screen? I think it would look less crowded and sleeker with just the one.
The EVO2 are very sleek looking units. You will not have any regrets getting 2. I would prefer 2x 7" over 1x 9".
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Ok,so the idea of two 7 inch screens sounds like a good idea. Now do I need 2 complete systems for that? Or do I just buy an extra screen?
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Ok,so the idea of two 7 inch screens sounds like a good idea. Now do I need 2 complete systems for that? Or do I just buy an extra screen?
Extra screens. If they are networked they share everything. Map cards, sonar, radar, structure scan.
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Extra screens. If they are networked they share everything. Map cards, sonar, radar, structure scan.
+ full waypoint and route synchronization. Even the LCD back lighting will be synchronized when networked by NMEA 2000, this applies to all Simrad equipment connected by NMEA 2000 or SimNet except VHF's.

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