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Old 09-11-2014, 07:57 PM
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Looks like they finally did it. A fish finder that Wi FI attaches to your ipad Air with Navionics for under $200. It won't be long and they'll have side scan also. Then who'll want to pay 2K +/- to Garmin, Raymarine or the rest of the marine GPS manufacturers and stealer dealers?

It might be over for these way over priced marine GPS/Fish finder systems... Don't let the bankruptcy door hit you in the butt...

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I guess you have never experienced an iPad crash? A battery go bad or not hold a charge? A charge cable break?

Our house has 3 iPads, 3 iPhones, a shuttle and an iPod.

No flipping way would it be my primary means of navigation
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Under $200...
And a state of the art suction cup transducer attachment.

I don't think it will unseat the Furuno TZ14/ DFF1-UHD and their ipad any time soon.


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I guess you have never experienced an iPad crash? A battery go bad or not hold a charge? A charge cable break?

Our house has 3 iPads, 3 iPhones, a shuttle and an iPod.

No flipping way would it be my primary means of navigation
Primary? Did I say that? I Don't think so. I have a little 5" in the dash, never had to use it.

And... I have never had a Apple product ipad crash, a battery go bad or not hold a charge.

But, I maintain my equipment, and carry a spare ipad charged and cable.Never had a failure

Plus several crew members have iphones with GPS and navionics..

My house has over ten apple units laying around none under a year old....
Apple stock holder since the start....

There's a bigger chance that you'll have trouble with your Garmin, Raymarine or what ever than I will with my ipad..... Sunshine (lol).
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Nope I have Furuno.

You stated that they were all going to go bankrupt and we should not be giving money to the stealerships

I maintain my stuff. I also buy the right tool for the job.

I hear Walmart is going to start selling liferafts and who wants to spend money on an EPIRB when your iPhone can call 911.
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Thanks for the info and it is good info. I would use it and its a fun way to get others (kids/family/friends) involved about what we are looking at and doing on the boat etc... I would never get rid of my NSS or even my Garmig for it but I would use it. As to putting the stealerships out of business not sure what the intent was by that but I agree there are some bad dealers out there but there are also some great dealers that will give you a good deal as well as have the indepth knowledge about how and what the equipment will do for you. That is why I prefer to use some of the dealers on here. Do I think it will bring some of the prices down? Maybe a little but time usually does that anyway. Everyone wants the latest and greatest and if they are willing to pay for it I can get last years model for less. As to the "state of the art" suction cup transducer I'm not gonna touch that with a 10 foot gaff.
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It won't be long and all installs will be wireless.
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Originally Posted by Rascal1 View Post
It might be over for these way over priced marine GPS/Fish finder systems... Don't let the bankruptcy door hit you in the butt...
Just don't bet the farm on that.
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This looks interesting.

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Suction cup transducer is on the Vexilar T300, the T200 comes with a regular transducer bracket.

I won't get rid of my T12 but I see some applications like when I rent small boat in remote area.
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A great little portable sonar / side scan for a small boat, canoe etc.. is the Hummingbird 140c Fishin Buddy.


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Originally Posted by Rascal1 View Post
Looks like they finally did it. A fish finder that Wi FI attaches to your ipad Air with Navionics for under $200. It won't be long and they'll have side scan also. Then who'll want to pay 2K +/- to Garmin, Raymarine or the rest of the marine GPS manufacturers and stealer dealers?

It might be over for these way over priced marine GPS/Fish finder systems... Don't let the bankruptcy door hit you in the butt...

http://www.navionics.com/en/sonarpho...xilar_Consumer
I would have loved to have been able to use an ipad as my screen, there are 2 or 3 around here someplace. But they are about worthless on any open boat or a boat subject to spray or rain at the helm. I tried several cases, none had a combination of full functionality, water proof with power cable hooked up, and durability. And being able to see it in the sun is not really practical. I really wish it could be a substitute for a finder or plotter, I wanted to use one and tried very hard to make myself believe it was practical, but no workie.
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Coool....
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Originally Posted by M&M View Post
Suction cup transducer is on the Vexilar T300, the T200 comes with a regular transducer bracket.

I won't get rid of my T12 but I see some applications like when I rent small boat in remote area.

Yes the T200 has a normal screw in the hull bracket. the cheaper version with the suction cup is for rental boat usage.

I do not think this offering is on a par with the current units on the market. But newer versions in development will be much improved with down/side scan. I hope this is the coming thing and personally appreciate invention and competition coming into the marine fish finder marketplace.

I had a friend back about 2003 that had a good high profit business picking up film from a lot of stores in S. FL and taking it to a developer. He returned the pictures the next day to the stores. He had about 20 drivers that each had 15/20 stores on their route. He had similar operations in ten other states.

I had just bought digital cameras for my R.E appraisal business. I showed him the camera and told him it was the coming thing. I thought/told him that in five years people would not be buying film and waiting to have it developed. He laughed at me and said 'no way". Three (3) years later he was out of business. He was living in Naples in a nice waterfront home. He's now in Philly living in a house trailer. True story.

I think that some of the dealers on line here, laughing at this new company's offering. Might reconsider and take note. The only real constant in life... is change.... Many boater's have had enough of high costs and poor service in & from their gps/fish units.

You build a better (cheaper) mouse trap. And customers will come.... In droves..
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I ordered this Sonarphone device on-line a month or two back and have been testing it.

The bottom detail is really good where the actual fishfinder (fish in the water column) is a little weak in my opinion.

Where this device really stands out as a winner in my book is when it is used with the Navionics App and updates the charts automatically - BRILLIANT!



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No idea if it will work but hope it will in the future
Never really understood why gps/fishfinders cost so much given the rapid drop in prices of other electronics. TV screens nearly free these days, Navionics at $35 on the iPhone.
Fishfinder software can't be that expensive. Something missing for me ??
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No idea if it will work but hope it will in the future
Never really understood why gps/fishfinders cost so much given the rapid drop in prices of other electronics. TV screens nearly free these days, Navionics at $35 on the iPhone.
Fishfinder software can't be that expensive. Something missing for me ??
Several reasons why marine electronics is much more expensive than consumer electronics. Marine Electronics is used in demanding environments and the user income or safety may rely on the function of the electronics. So Marine Electronics is much closer to professional electronics than to consumer electronics. It's a small industry so the cost of developing new products and sustaining the current products is much, much higher than for consumer electronics. Last 5 years has been extremal exiting in this industry with a lot of interesting technologies and product coming out (CHIRP sounders, broadband radar, scanning sonar is now standard, WiFi integration). Someone has to pay for this innovation and that someone is of course us, the customers.

I have spent close to 25 years as an EE developing professional electronics for use in demanding marine environments and I consider the modern 7" touch screen MFD's with integrated CHIRP sounder and now even scanning sonar as cheap. I'm really impressed they have been able to pack so much functionality for this demanding environment into a unit not costing more.

Boat environment
-Vibration (similar to military)
-Shocks (similar to military)
-Waterproofing (IPx7)
-Wide temperature range (temperatures below freezing and operation in direct sun requires industrial components))
-Very bright daylight viewable screens (1200 Nits)
-Robust touch screens working when wet (industrial touch screens)
Small production numbers
-Higher component costs and higher production costs
-Development and marketing cost large portion of unit cost
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post


Under $200...
And a state of the art suction cup transducer attachment.

I don't think it will unseat the Furuno TZ14/ DFF1-UHD and their ipad any time soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgxHbcTICrU
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HOWEVER I have never seen a Tablet or Smart Phone work on a boat, mainly because the screens get washed out in the Sun...

Not sure if there is a fix for this?
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I wouldn`t call Vexilar Sonarphone new, but the idea is cool in many ways. I agree totally with abbor and semper that there is no way it will replace my HDS-setup, but I`m still looking forward to testing it.

Hopefully I will have one in my boat to test with in a couple of weeks, might look a bit odd next to the rest of my electronics but who cares about appearances anyway?
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