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TIKI HUT 09-08-2014 03:36 PM

New garmin coming out
 
After speaking with the Garmin rep, sounds like they have big plans for the upcoming boat show season. 12" and 16" version of 1040 but touch screen with multi channel chirp. Sounds like simrad has them pushing for features. From what I hear it will not hit the market till Feb. also radar changes and autopilot. Ready to update electronics on new to me boat but looks like I might have to wait.

VanW 09-08-2014 03:42 PM

$$$$$

lingcod 09-08-2014 03:42 PM

Great to hear. Inevitable, and about time! I was holding out for the NSS12/16 EVO2 but have been quite disappointed with what I see. Guess I will hold out until early next year to put my new system together.

yachtjim 09-08-2014 06:36 PM

And then next year news will come out of the even newer units coming out soon. It is a constant cycle. If you wait for the latest stuff to come out you'll forever be disappointed.

bluewaterseeker 09-08-2014 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by lingcod (Post 7090465)
Great to hear. Inevitable, and about time! I was holding out for the NSS12/16 EVO2 but have been quite disappointed with what I see. Guess I will hold out until early next year to put my new system together.

What do you see that you don't like?

I've got the Nss9 and it is the fastest, coolest unit I've ever seen. ;?

I liked it so much that I'm replacing my 2 Nss12's with the new Evo's. :thumbsup:

lingcod 09-08-2014 06:53 PM


Originally Posted by yachtjim (Post 7091091)
And then next year news will come out of the even newer units coming out soon. It is a constant cycle. If you wait for the latest stuff to come out you'll forever be disappointed.

Completely agree. I just think we're at an inflection point in the development of chirp, touchscreen, pilot, and radar technology where more significant leaps are finally occurring but that maturation of these technologies take a couple of cycles. We're at those couple of cycles.

I won't consider Raymarine any longer, was eagerly hopeful but am disappointed and concerned with how Simrad releases products, and like Garmin for its ease of use and more robust engineering, both software and hardware. The only problem has been they've been behind the curve. They badly need 12"/15-16" touch and button, including sounder and GPS antenna integration, and would benefit from a more state of the art pilot (why do we still need a fluxgate compass??), as well as low energy, high discrimination radar. My guess is some, if not all of these will be introduced at Ft. Lauderdale.

gerg 09-08-2014 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by yachtjim (Post 7091091)
And then next year news will come out of the even newer units coming out soon. It is a constant cycle. If you wait for the latest stuff to come out you'll forever be disappointed.

Or just as bad, you will spend $20k on a state of the art system and watch new gear come out months after you buy. You will end up spending an additional $5k a year just stay with new gear, and then you will be fighting bugs and waiting for fixes.

Life is much better if you can live in the n-1 or n-2 mindset.

lingcod 09-08-2014 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by bluewaterseeker (Post 7091115)
What do you see that you don't like?

I've got the Nss9 and it is the fastest, coolest unit I've ever seen. ;?

I liked it so much that I'm replacing my 2 Nss12's with the new Evo's. :thumbsup:

To begin, http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-e...vs-garmin.html

12" is the minimum size for me, and quite possibly two of them.

Btw I went again to West Marine recently and was able to easily cause big problems with the NSS12 EVO2 as well. I wasn't doing anything unusual; just normal usage. These products are simply not ready.

To the contrary I tried, and could not "break" the Garmin 8212.

haneyrm 09-08-2014 06:59 PM

Would love to see a 10"-12" touchscreen version of the Garmin 740s. Same interface and functionality, just bigger screen.

lingcod 09-08-2014 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by gerg (Post 7091182)
Or just as bad, you will spend $20k on a state of the art system and watch new gear come out months after you buy. You will end up spending an additional $5k a year just stay with new gear, and then you will be fighting bugs and waiting for fixes.

Life is much better if you can live in the n-1 or n-2 mindset.

Yeah, but see my post above yours. I'm not one to become discontent with what I have and constantly upgrade. Au contraire, I will spend the bigger bucks when there are major leaps, such as with my MacBook Pro. Though Apple is typically incremental in its evolutionary product releases, sometimes there are big jumps, such as Retina.

abbor 09-09-2014 01:43 AM


Originally Posted by lingcod (Post 7091183)
To begin, http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-e...vs-garmin.html

12" is the minimum size for me, and quite possibly two of them.

Btw I went again to West Marine recently and was able to easily cause big problems with the NSS12 EVO2 as well. I wasn't doing anything unusual; just normal usage. These products are simply not ready.

To the contrary I tried, and could not "break" the Garmin 8212.

It's strange none of the owners of NSS12 Evo2 and NSS16 don't report any issues. I've had NSS9 Evo2 since it came out and no stability issues at all, only problem is the transducer temperature reading. There must be something special with these units at your local West Marine, prototype units, beta software or just faulty units.

In case you don't want a new autopilot with a fluxgate, get an Airmar H2183 to go with the Simrad pilot instead. Combine this compass with AC12 or AC42 in a NSS Evo2 system and I'm sure you will have the best performing pilot on the marked.

Xpac 09-09-2014 04:57 AM

Dual band built in chirp will be awesome!!! Hopefully they will output enough power not to require a sounder box. If the sounder boxes are rendered obsolete, I'm sure we can expect a heavy $ for the new units. Throw in a built in heading sensor too! :grin:

lingcod 09-09-2014 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by abbor (Post 7091563)
It's strange none of the owners of NSS12 Evo2 and NSS16 don't report any issues. I've had NSS9 Evo2 since it came out and no stability issues at all, only problem is the transducer temperature reading. There must be something special with these units at your local West Marine, prototype units, beta software or just faulty units.

In case you don't want a new autopilot with a fluxgate, get an Airmar H2183 to go with the Simrad pilot instead. Combine this compass with AC12 or AC42 in a NSS Evo2 system and I'm sure you will have the best performing pilot on the marked.

That's a very bold statement. I very much beg to differ. Just yesterday someone here at THT said their new NSSn EVO2 died/blew up and would now need to see how good Simrad's service is. Don't have time to find it because I'm about to take off to go fishing.

And I wish what you were saying is true regarding early beta units, but it's highly unlikely to be the case. This is a brand new flagship West Marine that JUST opened. Huge new electronics display. And even if what you are saying were the case, it just proves my point. Why would you let demo units go out the door with this many problems? Simrad is a manufacturer that does not understand how to do product development and releases properly. And for that matter, most of the marine suppliers are this way, except perhaps Furuno.

What about the bugs--especially the temperature issue--that is well noted here on THT? I don't know how you can say "none" report "any" issues. EDIT: Sorry, Abhor, just saw that you did not the temperature bug.

Above opinion notwithstanding, really appreciate your contributions here Abbor. You know your stuff, despite being strongly biased toward Simrad!

lingcod 09-09-2014 05:28 AM

Abbor, here you go:


Originally Posted by harveyr (Post 7089772)
Seawolf,

Had any quirky issues with your evo16s? Are they as bright as you expected? I have one on my bay boat and it self destructed yesterday while on the water. Time to test the SIMRAD customer service standards.

PS Nice boat....even better when you catch swords on it first go...


Xpac 09-09-2014 05:36 AM

Wonder what Furuno is up to. Bet they come out with something bad a$$ soon. How about a FCV-589 with built in 1k watt dual band chirp! :grin:

kaz911 09-09-2014 05:49 AM


Originally Posted by lingcod (Post 7091817)
That's a very bold statement. I very much beg to differ. Just yesterday someone here at THT said their new NSSn EVO2 died/blew up and would now need to see how good Simrad's service is. Don't have time to find it because I'm about to take off to go fishing.

And I wish what you were saying is true regarding early beta units, but it's highly unlikely to be the case. This is a brand new flagship West Marine that JUST opened. Huge new electronics display. And even if what you are saying were the case, it just proves my point. Why would you let demo units go out the door with this many problems? Simrad is a manufacturer that does not understand how to do product development and releases properly. And for that matter, most of the marine suppliers are this way, except perhaps Furuno.

What about the bugs--especially the temperature issue--that is well noted here on THT? I don't know how you can say "none" report "any" issues. EDIT: Sorry, Abhor, just saw that you did not the temperature bug.

Above opinion notwithstanding, really appreciate your contributions here Abhor. You know your stuff, despite being strongly biased toward Simrad!


I don't know if you have noticed - but ALL the new devices have some bugs/issues. Garmin had issues with their power buttons on the 8x12 series. Raymarine have had a bunch of issues when they released their a/c/e series - just check their software release schedule. Check Garmin's release history.

ALL NEW MFD's that hit the market - will have some issues. Some will be "easy to fix" others will require an exchange. Then factory will get notified - manufacturing will be modified and new revisions hit the market.

Read the story about Apple how have engineers sitting standby on release - so they quickly can fix issues - report them back to manufacturing in China and get them to update the design as quickly as possible. That is possible for Apple because they sell MILLIONS of devices.

So if you want to play it safe - wait at least 6 months from SALES release (not the press-release) before you press the BUY button. Then you should be reasonably safe (-ish)

Team Colibri 09-09-2014 05:53 AM

Apart from systems that are so scarse they hardly exist anyware but showrooms, all brands and units have their THT-published faults. You will even find post here with Furuno, especially their "compact" models 1870/1670. Garmin has gotten their fair bashing over the GPSMAP xs-models as well, not to mention Raymarine. You also have to factor in how many units are sold from each brand, around where I fish Lowrance probably has 80% of the market (based on what I see in boats in my area) and that is offcourse well reflected in what units people have issues with.

There are way to many people out there with bad electrical systems to base your purchase on one-two-three reported issues on THT or any other forum. IMO at least 90% of the issues out there are based on bad installation or other isues caused by the user. (I`m not reffering to the EVO16-thread here, just my personal experience.) Since I`m generally interested in marine electronics I always say "yes" when someone asks me to look at their systems, and there are A LOT of really bad DIY-electricians out there, as well as people not updating their software, not reading the manual, not taking care of their batteries etc. When taking into account how many ways there are to ruin any MFD, I have to say I`m impressed with how few issues there are these days.

BTW, I`m probably seen as biased towards Lowrance since I have been running their MFDs since 2010 as my main toys. Just to get that out of the way. ;)

swat1 09-09-2014 06:42 AM


Originally Posted by Xpac (Post 7091863)
Wonder what Furuno is up to. Bet they come out with something bad a$$ soon. How about a FCV-589 with built in 1k watt dual band chirp! :grin:

That would be badass!!

abbor 09-09-2014 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by lingcod (Post 7091817)
That's a very bold statement. I very much beg to differ. Just yesterday someone here at THT said their new NSSn EVO2 died/blew up and would now need to see how good Simrad's service is. Don't have time to find it because I'm about to take off to go fishing.

And I wish what you were saying is true regarding early beta units, but it's highly unlikely to be the case. This is a brand new flagship West Marine that JUST opened. Huge new electronics display. And even if what you are saying were the case, it just proves my point. Why would you let demo units go out the door with this many problems? Simrad is a manufacturer that does not understand how to do product development and releases properly. And for that matter, most of the marine suppliers are this way, except perhaps Furuno.

What about the bugs--especially the temperature issue--that is well noted here on THT? I don't know how you can say "none" report "any" issues. EDIT: Sorry, Abhor, just saw that you did not the temperature bug.

Above opinion notwithstanding, really appreciate your contributions here Abhor. You know your stuff, despite being strongly biased toward Simrad!

NSS12 Evo2 and NSS16 Evo were shown at the local boat show this weekend so I did not have time to go, but I think a local shop has got the units from the boat show so I will go and have a look in near future. They told NSS16 would be installed close to their old NSS12 so then I will see if it's any difference in screen brightness. I will then also see if I mange to get any of the units to hang (you can be sure I mange, if possible;)) and how the speed compares to my NSS9 Evo2.

The temperature issue was first reported to Simrad before Easter by me so I'm fully aware of that;cool;

There are always issues when introducing new products, manufacturing problems or software issues. I'm a EE with close to 25 years experience in development and industrialization of very complicated embedded systems so I've seen my fair share of issues. You can't judge the companies by counting issues for brand new products like NSS12 Evo2 and NSS16 Evo2 and comparing with more mature products as Garmin 82xx which have been on the marked for one and a half year or so when. The number of issues are very close connected to time from start of production. And as stated previously in this thread, wait 6 months from start of sale to buy if you don't accept any issues with new products.

The rate of innovation is high and the marine electronics companies has brought us a large amount of new astonishing technologies and products the last few years, the industry is small so they don't have the resources of Samsung and Apple to ensure everything is OK before start shipping products. As long as new software are released to fix the problems reported and that the companies take well care of the unfortunate ones which see hardware failures I think we as customers should be happy. I'm happy they prioritize innovation and new technology, those who feel they don't need it are also befitting, they can buy the older and now very reliable models for a very nice price.

bluewaterseeker 09-09-2014 10:25 AM

I'm getting the temperature from the structure scan transducer. I've not had any problems with temperature. ;?


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