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Old 08-21-2014, 04:44 PM
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Default SeaStar Autopilot pump ???

Does anyone have experience with this auto pilot pump? I'm thinking on using it with a Raymarine EV-200 or Gamin GHP 10 or 20 still doing my homework. This pump would be a quick plug & play with my already installed power seastar power assist unit... ;?

as per seastar website:
"The SeaStar Autopilot pump is a fixed flow, reversible type set that uses an internal hydraulic gear pump, producing very little vibration or noise. It is offered in 12 and 24 volt configurations, as well as two different pump sizes (type 1 & type 2). It can be used as a stand alone pilot pump or can be mounted to a previously installed SeaStar Power Assist unit and can prevent the need to break into the hydraulic lines."
Old 08-21-2014, 04:53 PM
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It can't be used with GHP10 or 20, will work with GHP12, Raymarine and Simrad pilots.
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Subscribed. I'm planning to order one his year for a Simrad-based AP. The pump looks OK on paper, and reasonably priced, but I haven't had any luck finding actual customer feedback.
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Following is response I got from a dealer after speaking with Garmin dealer support regarding the SeaStar AP Pump.

1. Garmin GHP12 core pack -
2. Garmin power actuator cable

Either of these two:

If you boat has a rudder sensor you can use the rudder adaptor cable
If you boat does not have a rudder sensor you will need Garmin rudder sensor

Please update here with what you find out on the EV200.
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If it were me, I'd get that pump since it is such a simple installation requiring no fitting hose ect, and get the ap that will work with it. and it priced well to, with the offset in pump prices and no installation cost, you would probably be $600-$700 to the good to offset a more expensive AP.
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Originally Posted by knotreel View Post
If it were me, I'd get that pump since it is such a simple installation requiring no fitting hose ect, and get the ap that will work with it. and it priced well to, with the offset in pump prices and no installation cost, you would probably be $600-$700 to the good to offset a more expensive AP.
But probably not combined with a GHP12 since this will require a rudder feedback unit, the Raymarine and Simrad pilots won't.
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Great info so far...
I'd like to hear from someone who actually uses this pump as well. Reliable? Noise? etc.
If I actually go ahead with this pump will probably be with the Raymarine. If I go with another pump then the Garmin GHP10 will be my first choice.
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Can anyone recommend installers in Miami.
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Originally Posted by BiminiSeas View Post
Great info so far...
I'd like to hear from someone who actually uses this pump as well. Reliable? Noise? etc.
If I actually go ahead with this pump will probably be with the Raymarine. If I go with another pump then the Garmin GHP10 will be my first choice.
This thread got me hot to trot on a AP again. Thinking like you that I would go with EV200 and the SeaStar pump. Hate that all my other gear is Garmin but really like the idea of mounting pump on the power assist pump already in place and I like the idea of the rotary knob on the controller. Please keep us updated if you move forward quickly.
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Originally Posted by 2020is View Post
This thread got me hot to trot on a AP again. Thinking like you that I would go with EV200 and the SeaStar pump. Hate that all my other gear is Garmin but really like the idea of mounting pump on the power assist pump already in place and I like the idea of the rotary knob on the controller. Please keep us updated if you move forward quickly.

I actually have both Garmin and Raymarine systems connected via N2000. I would prefer the Garmin AP; but might end up with EV200 based on all the info so far.

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So here is what I have been able to dig so far:

Called Seastar... "They do not know what brand of AP or model will work with their AP pump". Figure that!
He suggested I call the AP manufacturers and ask them. So I started with Garmin being my first choice.

Garmin: "GHP10 & GHP20 will flat out not work as these units are designed to work only with garmin brand AP pumps". But, he did say the the GHP 12 (sailboat version) will work with any brand of AP pump. Going back to the Garmin site I found this:
"The GHP 12 brings Garmin’s full-featured marine autopilot technology to 20- to 70-ft sailboats, as well as powerboats with solenoid steering systems, cable-actuated steering systems and third-party hydraulic pumps."

Raymarine: Called twice... unsuccessful so far. Will keep trying and update here soon.
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I gave you the correct answer is post #2 in this thread, no reason to waste your time calling around.

In post #6 I added important additional information regarding GHP12.
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Originally Posted by abbor View Post
I gave you the correct answer is post #2 in this thread, no reason to waste your time calling around.

In post #6 I added important additional information regarding GHP12.
I got you!
I'm just doing my nerdy research as to why it did not work.

Do you have any personal experience with this Seastar AP pump or the Raymarine AP unit?

Thanks for your info.
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No experience with EV-200, but I've assisted in the installation and calibration of the previous Raymarine models SPX-5 and SPX-10. I have Simrad AP24 on both my boats.

GHP10 and GHP10 have electronics and/or sensors integrated with the pump, that's the reason why they can't be used with other pumps. Garmin need a special sensor in the pump for their virtual rudder software, that's the reason why GHP12 needs a rudder feedback sensor.

I have never used the Seastar pump, but I studied it seriously before I installed one of my Simrad pilots. I've over the years read several positive reports from people using the Seastar pump.
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Originally Posted by abbor View Post
No experience with EV-200, but I've assisted in the installation and calibration of the previous Raymarine models SPX-5 and SPX-10. I have Simrad AP24 on both my boats.

GHP10 and GHP10 have electronics and/or sensors integrated with the pump, that's the reason why they can't be used with other pumps. Garmin need a special sensor in the pump for their virtual rudder software, that's the reason why GHP12 needs a rudder feedback sensor.

I have never used the Seastar pump, but I studied it seriously before I installed one of my Simrad pilots. I've over the years read several positive reports from people using the Seastar pump.
Thanks for the info
I know also that Simrad AP24 is probably the better choice for AP; what I dont like is that they are not N2000 friendly and since my boat is new; everything installed so far is on a N2000 network.
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Originally Posted by BiminiSeas View Post
Thanks for the info
I know also that Simrad AP24 is probably the better choice for AP; what I dont like is that they are not N2000 friendly and since my boat is new; everything installed so far is on a N2000 network.
Simrad AP24 IS NMEA 2000 friendly! Just make sure you get the "N" version! Everything will hook up to your NMEA 2000 network! If you decide to use the AP24 head unit, then you will have to get a Simnet to NMEA 2000 cable, that's all.
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ap 24 is NMEA 2k friendly!
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Originally Posted by BiminiSeas View Post

I actually have both Garmin and Raymarine systems connected via N2000. I would prefer the Garmin AP; but might end up with EV200 based on all the info so far.

I think you should go with Furuno since you already have Garmin, Raymarine and Lowrance covered on the dash.
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On both my boats I have AP24 installations done several years ago before the N versions came out but I still have a NMEA 2000 backbones with micro-C connectors. For AC12 I replaced with SimNet cable with a standard NMEA 2000 which I cut off one of the connectors, for the compass and AP24 control head I used adapter cables. With the N versions both the autopilot computer and compass are available with standard micro-C NMEA 2000 connectors, only the AP24 control head requires a SimNet to micro-C adapter cable. IS40 and OP10 (both with standard connectors) are an alternative to AP24 control head, but I think this controller don't support trolling modes.

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Done!
Purchased the AP24 (SIM-AP2403VRF) from BOE great fall sale price.
This already includes the simrad AP pump; so no seastar ap pump.

Thank you Jim & abbor for all the great info on this thread!!

I don't know if this is the "N" version or not?? Maybe Jim can let me know what he sold me...

As far as the simnet to nmea2K installation goes calling simrad they said:
"to build the simnet as per instrucctions and connect to the nmea2K backbone using the adapter cable". No need to further power the simnet.
Any info on this?

Any recommended installer in the South Miami area? Specially on the Hydraulic end of the install.

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