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UGH: NSS16 evo2 vs. NSS12 evo2 vs. Garmin

Old 07-26-2014, 06:44 AM
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In eager anticipation, was finally able to try out these two new Simrads in a huge, cool display that had Garmin and Raymarine at the plate as well.

Wow, what a disappointment.

I had an earlier thread noting the essentially same resolution on the 16 and 12, but only after playing with actual units did I discover the glaring problems. First, the screen on the 12 must be a different class/supplier of screen than the 16 in that it was quite washed out. The 16, while grainier, had richer colors.

But the 16 had huge problems. The touchscreen would constantly no longer work after several quick swipes. Processing power, of whatever sort, simply could not keep up. The buttons and knob would still work, but only a power down reset could restore touchscreen functionality. Also, lag times were much worse on the 16 vs. the 12, to the point where I would deem it borderline unusable. And the 16's screen was warm to hot; the 12 was fine. The 16's screen also required much more pressure to get the touchscreen to respond than the 12.

The 12's touchscreen was able to keep up with my tests, but the faded, washed out look really disappointed me as well.

In contrast, played with Garmin's 8212 and 7215. Wow. What a huge difference. Everything actually worked. And lightning fast--especially on the 8212. I know comparing the 8212 to the NSS16 evo2 is a bit apples to oranges, but after watching all the NSSn evo2 issues with transducers, etc., here, I have now really lost faith in Simrad. Why can't these marine electronics suppliers release products that simply WORK??!!!

I have a brand new boat that I was planning to outfit with Simrad as they currently have the best bang for your buck on paper. Now I have to rethink the whole thing. Am frustrated that Garmin does not have any touch/button products bigger than 10" and that to get what I want, it will cost significantly more than Simrad. First world problems, I guess.
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Old 07-26-2014, 07:37 AM
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Where did you test the Simrad units? Are you sure the units you tested had commercial software (RTM 1.5)?

Sounds like prototype units with beta software to me
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Old 07-26-2014, 07:51 AM
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Oddly enough, this was at a huge, new West Marine store that just opened yesterday. Very impressive electronics display stand. I doubt they were prototype units, and I also don't think these are software related issues per se.
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Btw, also just found some threads about Garmin's 8215 problems with MOBs, freezing, etc., and that it appears to be a known hardware problem and thus cannot be easily resolved.

Again, for the kind of money we're paying, why can't these manufacturers design, produce, and deliver products that work??!!!
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Old 07-26-2014, 09:10 AM
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sigh i wish i could have a huge awesome electronics display at my store
still. .feels nice to be independent
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Old 07-26-2014, 12:51 PM
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Disappointing to say the least. I've got a 12" EVO2 on order that should be arriving soon.
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Old 07-26-2014, 06:36 PM
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I love my NSS9. I didn't play with the 12 or 16 very much at iCast because I couldn't fit them in my console, so no use playing with toys I cannot have
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Garmin= bright displays and fast! there is at least one remote control you can buy for the touch screen units. I have one and rarely use it(7212). touchscreen is the way to go. scrolling that pointer takes forever at times. Tell you what...x2 7215's would be super slick!
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Originally Posted by nitro943 View Post
Garmin= bright displays and fast! there is at least one remote control you can buy for the touch screen units. I have one and rarely use it(7212). touchscreen is the way to go. scrolling that pointer takes forever at times. Tell you what...x2 7215's would be super slick!
Unless you want side Vü . Why Garmin, why!?!??!?
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Originally Posted by Badbagger View Post
Disappointing to say the least. I've got a 12" EVO2 on order that should be arriving soon.
I think if you only look at the 12 and not compare it side by side with the 16, you probably won't be too disappointed. I even tried setting both units back to factory default settings, thinking that perhaps there's a way to adjust contrast/brightness and someone just messed with it, and it made zero difference.
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I just purchased 2 Simrad NSS16 EVO2's. Although they are not installed yet I have powered them up and played with them a bunch. I find the colors very nice and movement great.No problems what so ever. I have been waiting a long time for these units and as of now very impressed. I have had Garmin touch screens as well. I just hope when they are installed this week and connected to the network I will feel the same. Connecting them to BSM-2,, 6K open radar, Auto Pilot, Sonic Hub, structure scan, AIS, IS40 , Sirius WM-2
Will follow on how they perform
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by lingcod View Post
Am frustrated that Garmin does not have any touch/button products bigger than 10" and that to get what I want, it will cost significantly more than Simrad. First world problems, I guess.
If you are looking at Garmin 8000 series, the GRID button/joystick control device might be an option?
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:49 AM
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Have you looked at Furuno?
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After being a Furuno fan for years, I gave Simrad (NSS 9) a shot, and I am very satisfied. I can't imagine anyone needing a faster redraw speed.

Most surprising is the the included sounder. I took this screen shot yesterday trolling offshore of Palm Beach. I was using a B260 (non chirp) transducer with the sounder set to low chirp:
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Thanks for the suggestion, but will not consider Furuno.

GRID is definitely an option. My attention is now turned to Garmin . . . .
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Originally Posted by Point Consults View Post
After being a Furuno fan for years, I gave Simrad (NSS 9) a shot, and I am very satisfied. I can't imagine anyone needing a faster redraw speed.

Most surprising is the the included sounder. I took this screen shot yesterday trolling offshore of Palm Beach. I was using a B260 (non chirp) transducer with the sounder set to low chirp:
Please explain this? Will running the sounder in low chirp (with a non chirp unit) ``hurt´´ any of the equipment? Also are you getting those results from a NSS9 Evo2 wired directly to the transducer (with no sounding module)? Yes I understand the NSS Evo2 comes with a built in sounder but curious... Thank you for your help
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This thread is a real head-scratcher to me...

Is anyone else going to join in on this crusade??
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I think now the information on the new Garmin units is out and being evaluated..this thread my be put on the back burner.
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