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Old 07-07-2014, 08:28 AM
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I'm trying to spec out a new catamaran build, and am pretty sure I am going to dump Simrad (I have NSS8 + LSS1 on my current boat) for Garmin. When I last looked into it the GSD 24/26 had just come out, and I was very impressed with the MFD + GSD24 results. But now I'm overwhelmed by units with integrated chirp sonar and/or down/side view.


I'm currently planning to have a 1040xs and an 820xs. The dash layout I like is big screen on the left, and then small screen plus VHF and/or radio head unit on the right. Autopilot and gauges will go in between the screens. I want autopilot, radar, down/side view, and high quality sonar (boat will be used in the cheapeake bay and to fish mid atlantic offshore lumps/canyons).

Questions:

1. Does garmin support autopilot in the MFD like Simrad, or do I need dash space for that? Same thing with gauges. If I can not have gauges or autopilot head unit I think it would save me quite a bit?
2. Also have I heard correctly that I'll get better performance if I buy the GCV 10 module separately (I don't really need side scan, but wouldn't mind having it especially if down view will be better using the GCV 10 as well).
3. Am I correct that these units can network pretty much everything except the main sonar?
4. Regardless, am I crazy if I were to try to do a shallow water ducer on one unit/sponson, and a deep water ducer on the other unit/sponson? And then I could choose which unit to use for sonar and which to use for chartplotting/radar based on where I was fishing?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Josh

PS - feel free to comment beyond my questions if you see a flaw in my thinking (should I be looking at 7212 or other MFD instead?), or think I can achieve what I'm looking for much cheaper with some other system. I'm even open to the "don't leave Simrad they do what you want better/cheaper" conversation.
Old 07-07-2014, 08:39 AM
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I think you will be happy with either Garmin or Simrad. I prefer the touch interface of the Simrad and the new Evo2 is pretty slick. It looks really awesome with its low profile. The screen to size ratio on the Garmin is HORRIBLE, but if you don't mind getting less screen for more real estate, no problems. The 12" NSS12 Evo2 is smaller than the 10" Garmin 1040xs! I have heard the Garmin side scan is really nice, but I don't have experience with it.

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I'm trying to spec out a new catamaran build, and am pretty sure I am going to dump Simrad (I have NSS8 + LSS1 on my current boat) for Garmin. When I last looked into it the GSD 24/26 had just come out, and I was very impressed with the MFD + GSD24 results. But now I'm overwhelmed by units with integrated chirp sonar and/or down/side view.

I'm currently planning to have a 1040xs and an 820xs. The dash layout I like is big screen on the left, and then small screen plus VHF and/or radio head unit on the right. Autopilot and gauges will go in between the screens. I want autopilot, radar, down/side view, and high quality sonar (boat will be used in the cheapeake bay and to fish mid atlantic offshore lumps/canyons).

Questions:

1. Does garmin support autopilot in the MFD like Simrad, or do I need dash space for that? Same thing with gauges. If I can not have gauges or autopilot head unit I think it would save me quite a bit?
I don't think so, but don't know for certain. I haven't heard anyone mention it.

Originally Posted by JoshKaptur View Post
2. Also have I heard correctly that I'll get better performance if I buy the GCV 10 module separately (I don't really need side scan, but wouldn't mind having it especially if down view will be better using the GCV 10 as well).
Yes, if you go Garmin, get GCV-10 and don't even think twice I find Side Scan more useful than Down Scan.

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3. Am I correct that these units can network pretty much everything except the main sonar?
Garmin just released a new update that allows sonar sharing. Good improvement by Garmin.

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4. Regardless, am I crazy if I were to try to do a shallow water ducer on one unit/sponson, and a deep water ducer on the other unit/sponson? And then I could choose which unit to use for sonar and which to use for chartplotting/radar based on where I was fishing?
Not crazy at all. I think this is a good option!

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Thanks in advance for any help.

Josh

PS - feel free to comment beyond my questions if you see a flaw in my thinking, or think I can achieve what I'm looking for much cheaper with some other system. I'm even open to the "don't leave Simrad they do what you want better/cheaper" conversation.
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Originally Posted by JoshKaptur View Post

I'm currently planning to have a 1040xs and an 820xs. The dash layout I like is big screen on the left, and then small screen plus VHF and/or radio head unit on the right. Autopilot and gauges will go in between the screens. I want autopilot, radar, down/side view, and high quality sonar (boat will be used in the cheapeake bay and to fish mid atlantic offshore lumps/canyons).

Questions:

1. Does garmin support autopilot in the MFD like Simrad, or do I need dash space for that? Same thing with gauges. If I can not have gauges or autopilot head unit I think it would save me quite a bit?
2. Also have I heard correctly that I'll get better performance if I buy the GCV 10 module separately (I don't really need side scan, but wouldn't mind having it especially if down view will be better using the GCV 10 as well).
3. Am I correct that these units can network pretty much everything except the main sonar?
4. Regardless, am I crazy if I were to try to do a shallow water ducer on one unit/sponson, and a deep water ducer on the other unit/sponson? And then I could choose which unit to use for sonar and which to use for chartplotting/radar based on where I was fishing?

Thanks in advance for any help.

Josh

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1) Auto pilot no problem..and best to use the G2Vision card.

From Garmin:
The GPSMAP 1040xs keyed chartplotter/sonar combo has a 10-inch color SVGA display and comes with preloaded U.S. LakeVü HD and BlueChart g2 coastal maps. HD-ID 1 kW sonar, CHIRP and DownVü with CHIRP sonar technology are built-in, allowing you the flexibility to choose from several optional transducers. It also provides media integration and autopilot compatibility, radar support, and NMEA 2000® and wireless connectivity.



2) The GCV 10 is used will indeed give the best results for both side and downVu. Thru hull transducer versions are due out later this year.

3) And with the latest software the units can now even share sonar images..so now you will have complete networking.
Link to new software:

http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-e...-8000-etc.html

4) Dual transducers is indeed an option...especially on a cat I see no issue...on the other hand if you use a B175M you can have a bit of both worlds..good shallow water use especially if you use it in conjunction with the GCV 10....and going deep is not a problem with the B175M.
Try it first and then go to a second ducer is needed.

And with the new software you can select the transducer of choice for your source on either head unit.

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Am going to install a transom mount AirMar Chirp. Thinking about adding the GVC 10.

Would that just go alongside the AirMar ?

Thanks for your response / recommendation
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Am going to install a transom mount AirMar Chirp. Thinking about adding the GVC 10.

Would that just go alongside the AirMar ?

Thanks for your response / recommendation
Typically you will try and get the Side Scan mounted slightly below so the traditional transducer doesn't block the side beam.
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Ok.

So just make sure it physically protrudes below, but they can be side by side ?
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Ok.

So just make sure it physically protrudes below, but they can be side by side ?
They can be side by side..yes..there is no sonar interference etc.
Keep in mind the GCV 10 transducer needs to see a bit to each side..so that is why it is is mounted lower .

The closer to the keel the better.

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