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Old 08-03-2005, 04:59 PM
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Default A Black & White issue. Which color ICOM?

I've pretty much settled on a ICOM 402S for my 20' CC. I'm not sure if I'll have to mount it inside the "glove box" or on top yet. No cutout room.
Any words of wisdom on going with either black or white ones?

Thanks.
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Also, best price I can find so far is $169.99 for this model.
Any sponsors here do better?
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I have the white one. Where did you find that price? I am sure one of the THT vendors will price match by pm
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Have I got a solution for you....and you won't have to make the difficult decision on color. Buy a Standard Horizon PS-1000 which mounts anywhere...and then just have a microphone connector on your dash.
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kingair - 8/4/2005 5:01 AM
I am sure one of the THT vendors will price match ...
I don’t think this is a good idea. Whenever you allow a retailer to match prices you interfere with competitive retail pricing by reinforcing the potential for price-fixing with all retailers selling at MSRP. And price matching does not save you, the consumer, a single dime.

I suggest you take into consideration taxes and shipping/handling…the bottom line, when comparing prices and buy from the least expensive source WITHOUT price matching. Whenever a seller gives me a price and tells me they will match a lower price if I find one, I tell them they should be giving me the best possible price because I will be rewarding the seller with the best prices with my business.

Also know that any bona fide business will not sell any product below the margin that allows them to make a fair profit, whether you have a better price from somewhere else or not.

You can help keep retail sells competitive. If a THT vender offers you the best bottom line, then buy from them. If you find an Icom 402 less expensive elsewhere, then buy it there and not from a THT vendor.

Edit: what I am suggesting has nothing to do with THT venders in particular, but everything to do with all retailer and reasonable consumerism in general. And fwiw, my understanding is you aren’t likely to find a better price than you will with THT venders, so maybe it’s a mute point.
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bpevans - 8/3/2005 5:59 PM

I've pretty much settled on a ICOM 402S for my 20' CC. ...............Any words of wisdom on going with either black or white ones?

Thanks.
Whichever looks the best. White may show dirt more easily, but it may also reflect heat from the sun. I have a white boat so I chose the white one. It's actually "off-white".

BTW: Mount it where it's easy to see the display and easy to use. Consider protection from moisture and how you're going to run power and antenna cables to it.
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I'll leave the color decision up to you but read your install instructions closely and don't take any shortcuts when wiring it in. ensure you get a good solid connection at the antenna when soldering/crimping the coax. highly recommend you properly solder your power and ground wires vice just twisting them together and giving it a wrap with electrical tape. on this particular radio, i have had better results when using the gold crimp-on 259 connector vice the standard one that you solder. all of the foregoing might be common knowledge to you but many on the board do not like this particular model of i-com and swear it is problematic. myself and tens of thousands of others love this model and have had zero problems. rather than bringing up past arguments, just make sure you do a qaulity install. DO NOT assume that just because you have the local bubba at your dealer do the install that that constitutes a professional installation -- sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.
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When I install a vhf I do not like to go to the fuse panel or switches at the dash. When needed most you might have electrical problems on the boat and your dash and switches could be down. I would run it to the battery with an inline fuse that is easy to get to. Make sure you get a small ziplock with some extra fuses and tiewrap it near the inline fuse holder. This way you have constant power even if everything else is shorted out.As for color, which ever looks best.
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swamppro - 8/5/2005 8:15 AM

When I install a vhf I do not like to go to the fuse panel or switches at the dash. When needed most you might have electrical problems on the boat and your dash and switches could be down. I would run it to the battery with an inline fuse that is easy to get to. Make sure you get a small ziplock with some extra fuses and tiewrap it near the inline fuse holder. This way you have constant power even if everything else is shorted out.As for color, which ever looks best.
That inline fuse needs to be within seven inches of the battery connection to comply with ABYC standards.
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I'll leave the color decision up to you but read your install instructions closely and don't take any shortcuts when wiring it in. ensure you get a good solid connection at the antenna when soldering/crimping the coax. highly recommend you properly solder your power and ground wires vice just twisting them together and giving it a wrap with electrical tape. on this particular radio, i have had better results when using the gold crimp-on 259 connector vice the standard one that you solder. all of the foregoing might be common knowledge to you but many on the board do not like this particular model of i-com and swear it is problematic. myself and tens of thousands of others love this model and have had zero problems. rather than bringing up past arguments, just make sure you do a qaulity install. DO NOT assume that just because you have the local bubba at your dealer do the install that that constitutes a professional installation -- sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.
I've read a few of those endless-ICOM-sucks threads. I'm still going with the 402S. I plan on wiring it myself more so for the knowledge of how it's hooked up etc.. I also am going with an 8' Digital 529 antenna - I know it'll be ugly on a 20' CC but range is more important to me if a diver gets hurt and needs an evac.
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swamppro - 8/5/2005 8:15 AM
I would run it to the battery with an inline fuse that is easy to get to. Make sure you get a small ziplock with some extra fuses and tiewrap it near the inline fuse holder.
I've heard that advice before and agree. I'll be running it off the battery directly. Thanks for the tip on the ziplocked fuses, good idea there.
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Good choice on the antenna. I would rather look ugly and saved then look good sitting forever!
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I have a White Standard Quest and wish I had Black one instead. The radio looks okay, but the mic looks like crap from being handled so much.

That's a big ROGER on the PS-1000!!
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If you are flushmounting, don't use the template in the manual that comes with the radio. Use the template that comes with the hardware kit for flush mounting. If I remember correctly the one that's in the instruction book is too big, or has corners that don't match the radio. Something where it doesn't fit as well as the template with the flush mount kit.

Luckily we installed my brother's 402 before we installed mine. His has a wide band of silicone. Mine's nice and clean.
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An 8ft antenna ugly on a 20 footer?? I doubt it.

I've got two 8' VHF antennas mounted to my T-top, and my boat is 18 1/2'. I think it looks pretty good . . .

Besides, that ugly antenna may just save your life.
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This question is almost as stupid as me reading through it...
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Hey Kev:

are they talking school systems?

Hey how is the Rampage?

The Ficht still hasn't blown up. In fact it runs great. the only thing is that it never starts on the first turn. I think that may be it is the 93 Octane?? There is no 87 "near" me.

What were you worried about?

I have some winterizing ??'s about the raw water pump and the bait well.

Maybe we can exchange e-mail addresses.
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I have to admit, I thought this was a rediculous thread when I first read it. Now that I watch it develop, there really is a difference in black or white. The first has been pointed out...the white mike does get a bit grungy after a while. The second is that if you mount the radio flush with a silicone bead around it, white/clear silicone tends to pick up black mildew spots.

I guess, after some thought, I'd recommend black due to these reasons and the fact that most all GPS/FF's are black or grey...so visually black works.
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flynny7 - 8/6/2005 8:36 PM
This question is almost as stupid as me reading through it...
But you went beyond just reading it to actually taking part in this thread.

Sometimes seemingly benign stuff has reasons behind the madness. I don't mind being the retard to ask the question. Other folks here seem to have good reasons for me to order a black one.

Plus it was an easy thread to get hooked up with some offers from THT sponsors who PM'd me off this thread. I ordered my radio, antenna and mount from a sponsor at an excellent price.
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BP,
You may want to take a hard look at the SH PS-1000 unit if you are running tight for space. I have the transceiver tucked away, and the only helm protrusion is the flush mount connector that you just plug your mic into - I had few options on my 25' cruiser and this is a beautiful installation and clean look. And it gives you the speaker in the mic, which is a very good location.

Get the black mic with any path you take - you won't be sorry. Imagine that nice white unit with about 9 months of use.....

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