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Old 07-29-2005, 07:53 AM
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I am getting ready to seal the deal on a 23 Contender. Currently it only has a vhf and CD/Stereo and I am looking at a combo GPS/FF. I am considering getting a radar compatible unit, but it adds about a thousand dollars. It has the small console so I am limited for space unless I add a radio box (another $500). I primarily fish within 30 miles of shore in NC. Fog is usually not an issue except on rare days. I don't fish at night. My main reason for getting radar would be to keep tabs on developing thunderstorms. I'm not even sure if this is practical with small boat radomes. Any thoughts ?

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Old 07-29-2005, 07:55 AM
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Get it, you won't regret it.
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We fish the same waters and fog is never an issue for me either (or running at night). It is helpful following storms and I like the way you can tell how many boats are fishing at different locations. It is nice to have and I rigged with radar because I was rigging a new boat......but I fished for years without radar and I consider it an extra. Useful but not necessary. Lots of people are going to tell you its a must have....for me its not. I have a 4KW dome and it does real well.....not sure how good the smaller units would be.....more than 4KW is overkill and the cost reflects that, unless one of your main purposes is finding birds.
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Bag the radar if all you need is to see storms. Wait a month and buy a Garmin 376C and then subscribe to XM WX. You will have true color WX radar with animation and forcast track. Oh, yeah, and wave height and direction. And a lot more. Supertanker radar won't have that WX detail that you will.
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Interesting idea Diver Dave. that does seem to make a lot more sense. My main purpose would be storms. I think seeing other boats fishing is nice, but myabe not enough to justify the cost. Do you have to have a certain type of plotter to display the XM weather, for instance, would it work with a Furuno 1650? How much does this cost per month to subscribe?

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My thought on this when I was debating whether or not to get radar was, "Better to have it than to wish you had it". There are some really good deals out there right now. I have the Raymarine RL70C w/ 2kw dome. It's discontinued now and Raymarine has reduced the prices. The unit works geat.
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i would say yes you need one. if you are going to be running in the dark with it also being foggy they yes you should get one. like FCAL said raymarine has reduced their prices even though i have a furuno.
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You can check out the xm site, there are at least 3 levels of subscription to WX. But, plan on $50 per month. Small boat radar in the daytime won't significantly do better than your eyes to pick up other boats, assuming good visibility. Your mounting height on a 23' boat won't allow the radar to see any further than you can.
After my last 100 mile crossing with XM weather, I'm convinced. Another "issue" with on-board radar for storms is trying to follow storms that develop on the coast and travel off shore. Ground clutter really hurts the ability for a 8-10' high radar to seperate storms from shore.
A new age is upon us. We can now have real time (within 4 minutes, actually), 500MW 0.5 degree NexRad on our dashes.
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I think you can get weather radar for about $10 a month on your cell phone. If you can recieve a signal where you fish.
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Thats's another good idea Robbie. I definitely can't get a signal much more than 10 miles offshore and most of the bag phones don't have an LCD display. Maybe the solution is to get a bag phone then call the wife at home and get her to turn on the weather channel. Of course, there are advantages to being out of cell phone range.









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You dont need RADAR.. If you get a 3010C with XM Weather you can see the weather radar for the ENTIRE country. With the XM fisherman package, it would take 110 months of the fisherman package to pay for your radar. I would advise a top end bottom finder as well, like the Furuno FCV-582L or the Raymarine DS-600X. To learn more about the XM weather check out.. http://www.swflnavigation.com/776394.html
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diver dave - 7/29/2005 12:36 PM

You can check out the xm site, there are at least 3 levels of subscription to WX. But, plan on $50 per month. Small boat radar in the daytime won't significantly do better than your eyes to pick up other boats, assuming good visibility. Your mounting height on a 23' boat won't allow the radar to see any further than you can.
After my last 100 mile crossing with XM weather, I'm convinced. Another "issue" with on-board radar for storms is trying to follow storms that develop on the coast and travel off shore. Ground clutter really hurts the ability for a 8-10' high radar to seperate storms from shore.
A new age is upon us. We can now have real time (within 4 minutes, actually), 500MW 0.5 degree NexRad on our dashes.
what he sed, mostly. it does allow you to weave between the more intense storm formations. better still, people down here like them so they can lock on boats fishing unmarked reefs. me, i'd like it for nite time, when the googans really do their damage.

diver dan, in the small world dept., i used to know the guy who founded the company that made your boat. if i recall, there were not that many ever built, a labor of love for the owner.

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If you're looking for birds...4kw is absolute minimum and you probably need more.

If you have radar on your boat and you are ever in an accident/incident, you better have it on...if it's off, you will automatically be found to be the guilty party...there is a legal requirement that if you have radar on your boat, it must be operating at all times that the boat is underway. (I know you don't believe this, but check it out..it's true). Most boaters are unaware of this...fortunately most boaters don't have accidents.

Radar won't help you avoid running over crab traps, etc at night...

I think an EPIRB, backup VHF, 25mm flare gun, solas flares, etc would be first on my list of purchases....and an autopilot.



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twiss has nailed it...bag the radar in your situation and get the epirb and the autopilot...
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Default Re: Do I need radar?

The answer in no, ... but ... The previous posts are interesting and correct. I have a new Raymarine C80 with 2kw radar. I fish in daylight, won't go out in the fog. Forecast was good this past Wed and fog developed just along the coast with sight range to about 50 ft. Suddenly I was in love with radar and it got us back to and through the inlet where the fog cleared. I need to get better at its use, but unit worked great.
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Soltydog ...start running that Radar everytrip in daylite ... then you will be able to tell markers and other objects when your luife depends on it !!!

Radar is not something you want to learn on the fly when you need it most!!!!!!


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Thanks for the help guys. I am now trying to decide between the Furuno 1650, Raymarine C70, or Furuno 1723 Navnet. If I can stomach spending the cash I may get the C70 and add radar later and spend money on the EPIRB for now. This is so confusing, so many brands, so many models, options, etc. Initially it seems like the Raymarine is cheaper, but by the time you add all the accessories it seems like it all adds up to about the same amount....staggering!
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I love my C70. There were many days this year that I got to fish because of my radar that I would not have fished last year. Not to mention all the birds(and all the fish that goes with em) I found with it. If you have a WASS capable GPS, all you need is a C70, radar, and a heading sensor and you would be set. Give John a call at Tightlinesrods.com, great prices and fast service.
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look at the jrc combo gps radar 1800(I think) for about 1500 you get a great unit as far as needing radar I installed a 4k sitex unit last month and I will never own another boat without it We had an old raytheon unit when I was a kid and it sucked the new machines are easy to see easy to use and don't consume alot of power as far as seeing pots I can pick up floating debris and I'm still learning every trip run it all the time and figure it out with your manual in the daytimeit makes life easier an safer
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Thanks Ubetcha. I think I'm going to hold off on for now and just get a Furono 1850 FF/GPS combo and add the JRC at a later date if I run into some spare cash. The networking models like Navnet and Raymarine won't save me any money in the long run and I'll need a second screen anyway. Having two separate systems adds some redundancy as well.

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