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Old 11-20-2013, 07:21 PM
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Default Garmin 741xs or wait for the new 840xs??

Anyone seen specs on the upcoming 840xs due to be available in February 2014? It has an 8 inch screen and has Chirp and Garmin's DownVu sonar built in. The bottom clarity they show it producing is pretty amazing.

It looks pretty nice. Not sure if I should go ahead and buy the 741xs I'd planned to buy for my boat, or wait on the 840xs.

I'd appreciate hearing all of your comments, suggestions and comments.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 11-20-2013, 08:27 PM
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I am in the same situation. Putting a radar tower on this winter and will need to make a choice. 8" screen is nice, but I kind of like the touchscreen. Then, do I go with latest radar? What are advantages?
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The 741xs will get the same features in its sonar as the 840xs. The 741xs already have the 12 pin sonar connector. But Garmin had not announced what it was for until a few days ago.

The 741xs will also interface with the new sidev downv module via Garmin Marine Network (yet another connector on the 741xs that was not "documented" - but I don't know if you will get full Garmin Marine Network support through it - or only sounder support.
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im waiting for the 840 bc i dont like the screen display on the 7 or the touchscreen.
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Really comes down to whether or not you like touchscreens or not. I look at non touchscreen units as old fashioned and clumsy but that's just me.
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I'd almost bet that Garmin's 2015 models will be the 840 in touch screen technology. I wish they'd gone ahead and put in the 2014's. Touch is the latest and greatest so it's unfortunate that they wouldn't offer it in their upcoming 2014 models.
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All the functionality of 840xs plus a lot more (including side scan) with a combined touch and button interface will be available from Simrad in December 2013
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Originally Posted by RockNRowBoat View Post
I'd almost bet that Garmin's 2015 models will be the 840 in touch screen technology. I wish they'd gone ahead and put in the 2014's. Touch is the latest and greatest so it's unfortunate that they wouldn't offer it in their upcoming 2014 models.
It would have sure made it easier for me to decide on my electronics this winter if they had put touchscreen on the 840 and 1040
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I am in the same predicament just about to finalize electronics plans and Garmin throws a change up. Just to clarify, the 840xs will come with Down Vu but you would still have to purchase the GCV 10 box to get both Down Vu and Side Vu? Any speculation as to the effectiveness of the Side and Down Vu in depths > 50'? Although not fully networkable, would running a pair of either machine connected to NMEA 2000 at least allow for the transfer of depth, gps coordinates, engine data, etc. between units?
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Old 11-27-2013, 12:13 PM
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well shoot. now that I have seen the 840 I am in the same situation. I was all set to buy a 741xs during the black friday sales, but now...

Are the touchscreens more fluid than the non? I'd rather have the buttons if they are more precise.

How is it that garmin is offering downvu sonar transducer with the unit for $100? would that be better than a Airmar TM150M chirp?
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I upgraded from the 740S Garmin, which is a fantastic plotter but had a not so good sonar, to the Garmin 741XS mostly for the CHIRP sonar. The unit itself is not much of a leap up from the 740 (which Ive seen as low as $799 nowadays) Its faster and holds more numbers but the numbers on the screen are a bit smaller as are the arrows to zoom in and out. I do like the XM/weather which I didnt have before. It has bluetooth but im yet to find a purpose for it. It connects to my Iphone but wont play music. I believe you can transfer numbers ect... via the bluetooth but I havent tried it yet. The smaller arrows on the screen make you touch the screen instead of the arrow sometimes which makes the plotter pan over somewhere you didnt mean to go. Its a good machine but in hindsight I would not buy one if I already had the 740.
About the CHIRP. I spent over $1000 getting the right transducer for the unit and couldnt wait to try out the next big thing in sonar, The quantum leap they are all talking about. I even cut the hole in my hull twice the size of the previous ducer to shoehorn the double sized Airmar CHIRP transducer in.
FIshed in The Keys for the next 2 months, pretty much everyday. Well I could not be more disappointed. In my opinion the CHIRP sonar on this unit sucks. I have been a charter operator for several decades and I have a pretty good idea how to work a sonar. Try as I might I cant make this thing show me any worthwhile picture of a bottom feature. Its does show fish in the column pretty good-average id say, and it does a good job of separating big fish from bait but it simply will not show a short ledge or small wreck. I have it side by side with an old Furuno NavNet, Ill go over a small to medium sized wreck and both show the fish in the column but the furuno draws the wreck profile and the Garmin chirp erroneously shows the bottom completely flat. I have tried it on a variety of spots, on all different settings, and its always the same: Virtually no bottom features show unless they are huge. The standard old furuno positively blows away this "next big thing". I could not be more disappointed in the Garmin CHIRP, its so lousy I dont even use it anymore. I stick with the furuno sonar and use the Garmin 741XS as a plotter/weather only. I have since heard the same thing from some in the marine electronics world. Wish I had heard it before I jumped in. If sonar is your primary concern, I would look elsewhere. I think the GPS plotter is as good as they come but there may as well be no sonar with this unit.
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Originally Posted by Gulfguide View Post
I upgraded from the 740S Garmin, which is a fantastic plotter but had a not so good sonar, to the Garmin 741XS mostly for the CHIRP sonar. ....
Thanks, that was interesting.

What transducer did you get for chirp?

How would you (or anyone here) expect the new DownV transducer to work out? Better than any other chirp? I have to admit I wont be doing a lot of fishing on this boat, but I will be on the upper mississippi and I want to be able to see what is under my boat. Even the SideVu looks like a fun toy.

Right now, I am actually considering waiting because the slightly larger screen would be nice, more screen real estate with 800x600 vs 800x480. And also it not being touch. The touch screen would drive me batty if it doesnt work as well as an android tablet or ipad or something. The larger 1040xs looks nice too, but that is just too much screen for my little boat.
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Originally Posted by Gulfguide View Post
I upgraded from the 740S Garmin, which is a fantastic plotter but had a not so good sonar, to the Garmin 741XS mostly for the CHIRP sonar. The unit itself is not much of a leap up from the 740 (which Ive seen as low as $799 nowadays) Its faster and holds more numbers but the numbers on the screen are a bit smaller as are the arrows to zoom in and out. I do like the XM/weather which I didnt have before. It has bluetooth but im yet to find a purpose for it. It connects to my Iphone but wont play music. I believe you can transfer numbers ect... via the bluetooth but I havent tried it yet. The smaller arrows on the screen make you touch the screen instead of the arrow sometimes which makes the plotter pan over somewhere you didnt mean to go. Its a good machine but in hindsight I would not buy one if I already had the 740.
About the CHIRP. I spent over $1000 getting the right transducer for the unit and couldnt wait to try out the next big thing in sonar, The quantum leap they are all talking about. I even cut the hole in my hull twice the size of the previous ducer to shoehorn the double sized Airmar CHIRP transducer in.
FIshed in The Keys for the next 2 months, pretty much everyday. Well I could not be more disappointed. In my opinion the CHIRP sonar on this unit sucks. I have been a charter operator for several decades and I have a pretty good idea how to work a sonar. Try as I might I cant make this thing show me any worthwhile picture of a bottom feature. Its does show fish in the column pretty good-average id say, and it does a good job of separating big fish from bait but it simply will not show a short ledge or small wreck. I have it side by side with an old Furuno NavNet, Ill go over a small to medium sized wreck and both show the fish in the column but the furuno draws the wreck profile and the Garmin chirp erroneously shows the bottom completely flat. I have tried it on a variety of spots, on all different settings, and its always the same: Virtually no bottom features show unless they are huge. The standard old furuno positively blows away this "next big thing". I could not be more disappointed in the Garmin CHIRP, its so lousy I dont even use it anymore. I stick with the furuno sonar and use the Garmin 741XS as a plotter/weather only. I have since heard the same thing from some in the marine electronics world. Wish I had heard it before I jumped in. If sonar is your primary concern, I would look elsewhere. I think the GPS plotter is as good as they come but there may as well be no sonar with this unit.
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wow Im assuming my 547xs with tm150 will have the same results haven't used it yet.
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The TM150 has a 26-17 degree cone angle, pretty wide. The wide cone angle should give wide coverage and produce good fish arches. The drawback to a wide cone angle is it lacks details. The more you see the less definition of that stuff you get.

And the Down V/Side V transducer is complimentary, not meant to replace the CHIRP sonar transducer.
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And the Down V/Side V transducer is complimentary, not meant to replace the CHIRP sonar transducer.
So, if I order a 850 with the down vu transducer, I still need another chirp transducer? or I can just use it by itself? (sorry, im a newb)

Is downvu not chirp?

EDIT: ok, did some more digging on the forums, i think I get it now.

Downvu is more of a picture where as chirp is the sonar you have to interpret a bit but gives different types of information?

I think I have a lot to learn here.
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So, if I order a 850 with the down vu transducer, I still need another chirp transducer? or I can just use it by itself? (sorry, im a newb)

Is downvu not chirp?

EDIT: ok, did some more digging on the forums, i think I get it now.

Downvu is more of a picture where as chirp is the sonar you have to interpret a bit but gives different types of information?

I think I have a lot to learn here.
Yes, that's about it. The V has a very narrow beam which translates into high resolution to give a picture like image. The traditional sonar is an ice cream cone of coverage. It covers a LOT more surface. They are both useful and I like having both at my disposal, but they do different thing and I use them differently,
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Originally Posted by mbwesner View Post
So, if I order a 850 with the down vu transducer, I still need another chirp transducer? or I can just use it by itself? (sorry, im a newb)

Is downvu not chirp?

EDIT: ok, did some more digging on the forums, i think I get it now.

Downvu is more of a picture where as chirp is the sonar you have to interpret a bit but gives different types of information?

I think I have a lot to learn here.

We're in the same boat, I am a newb to all this Chirp and DownVu stuff too.

If I buy the 850xs when it's available in the spring, and if I want to have Chirp as well as DownVu, will I need 2 transducers or what?

Anyone know if the Chirp technology in the 850 will be better than it is in earlier Garmin models? Decisions, decisions...
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Originally Posted by RockNRowBoat View Post
We're in the same boat, I am a newb to all this Chirp and DownVu stuff too.

If I buy the 850xs when it's available in the spring, and if I want to have Chirp as well as DownVu, will I need 2 transducers or what?

Anyone know if the Chirp technology in the 850 will be better than it is in earlier Garmin models? Decisions, decisions...
Ya. I think this makes some sense.

Someone tell me what I need to start with for a bowrider, knowing depth, not hitting crap, general purpose use. I am sure I will end up with chirp and downvu because I will want to play with all this stuff, but what should I start with? start wit chirp or start with downvu?
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Originally Posted by Gulfguide View Post
I upgraded from the 740S Garmin, which is a fantastic plotter but had a not so good sonar, to the Garmin 741XS mostly for the CHIRP sonar. The unit itself is not much of a leap up from the 740 (which Ive seen as low as $799 nowadays) Its faster and holds more numbers but the numbers on the screen are a bit smaller as are the arrows to zoom in and out. I do like the XM/weather which I didnt have before. It has bluetooth but im yet to find a purpose for it. It connects to my Iphone but wont play music. I believe you can transfer numbers ect... via the bluetooth but I havent tried it yet. The smaller arrows on the screen make you touch the screen instead of the arrow sometimes which makes the plotter pan over somewhere you didnt mean to go. Its a good machine but in hindsight I would not buy one if I already had the 740.
About the CHIRP. I spent over $1000 getting the right transducer for the unit and couldnt wait to try out the next big thing in sonar, The quantum leap they are all talking about. I even cut the hole in my hull twice the size of the previous ducer to shoehorn the double sized Airmar CHIRP transducer in.
FIshed in The Keys for the next 2 months, pretty much everyday. Well I could not be more disappointed. In my opinion the CHIRP sonar on this unit sucks. I have been a charter operator for several decades and I have a pretty good idea how to work a sonar. Try as I might I cant make this thing show me any worthwhile picture of a bottom feature. Its does show fish in the column pretty good-average id say, and it does a good job of separating big fish from bait but it simply will not show a short ledge or small wreck. I have it side by side with an old Furuno NavNet, Ill go over a small to medium sized wreck and both show the fish in the column but the furuno draws the wreck profile and the Garmin chirp erroneously shows the bottom completely flat. I have tried it on a variety of spots, on all different settings, and its always the same: Virtually no bottom features show unless they are huge. The standard old furuno positively blows away this "next big thing". I could not be more disappointed in the Garmin CHIRP, its so lousy I dont even use it anymore. I stick with the furuno sonar and use the Garmin 741XS as a plotter/weather only. I have since heard the same thing from some in the marine electronics world. Wish I had heard it before I jumped in. If sonar is your primary concern, I would look elsewhere. I think the GPS plotter is as good as they come but there may as well be no sonar with this unit.
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Dude, I can't believe what your saying. I' switched to the garmin 7212 with gsd26 box and my experience is the same as yours. I have played with adjustments but can't get the view the way I like it. I miss my furuno.
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Dude, I can't believe what your saying. I' switched to the garmin 7212 with gsd26 box and my experience is the same as yours. I have played with adjustments but can't get the view the way I like it. I miss my furuno.
Hearing that even the higher end Garmin sounders don't produce clear bottom imaging makes me want to start all over in my search for a good bottom imagine sonar combo. I do want to see wrecks and clearly defined submerged trees, bridges in the bottom of lakes, etc.

Do you think the DownVu technology Garmin is coming out with in the 850 will do it, or would you guys guess it's not likely?

I don't want to invest $2,000 to $2,500 on something I won't be happy with, which is about what it will cost by the time I add transducers (and maybe a module?) to the 850 coming out next spring.

I leaned toward Garmin because everyone says it's easy to learn to use, especially with me being a new comer to all this technology. Would the lower priced new Furuno units give the clear bottom detail I want with a transom mounted transducer, vs the upcoming Garmin 850?

Any suggestions are most appreciated.
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