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Old 07-19-2013, 09:20 AM
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Just got a Suzuki DF300 , and I bought the SMIS gauge. I can not get it setup properly. Whenever I turn on the engine alarms, it keeps setting off every alarm possible. It is like something isn't configured correctly or it isn't making proper communication with motor. Not sure If I am missing some type of module or something, but thought this gauge interfaced directly with the engine harness to display codes and warnings. It will display the rpms Properly
Old 07-19-2013, 02:42 PM
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No, this gage interfaces with a nmea2000 net work. You need to go to Lowrance site and download the user/instruction manual for a Lowrance LMF400 ( which is what the Suzuki smis gage is). An overview on this, you will need and engine interface cable and build a small network backbone. If you want fuel economy data (MPG) you will need to have a gps antenna connected to the network backbone as well. the net work will need a power node too. So at the minimum you will need (for one engine) ; engine interface, N2K power node, gps antenna (if you don't have one connected to a n2k network already), 2 or 3 network "t's". If all this is new to you, visit Brownspoint marine website and you can order the parts and see some diagrams of some typical installations. You should stop trying to operate it for the engine harness as it is possible some damage could be done, maybe.
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Thanks for the response. Do I need black, blue, or red connectors.

I will order the interface cable. Wondering, if I already have the power node though. Hooked up something like that to power the gauge. Do I need an additional one?

This was a used motor, but I paid a Suzuki dealer to set everything up. They acted like they weren't sure why I was getting the alarms.. Starting to really question this shop that installed everything. He said he wasn't that familiar with the setup on these gauges.
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Red and black are the same. So doesn't matter. Blue are the old Lowrance proprietary connectors, avoid them as they are not connectable with the new black/red NMEA2000 connectors used by all manufactures nowadays.

May I ask what gauges came with the Suzuki when it was installed?

The reason I ask is because, if it came with the normal analogue gauges, you will need to connect the engine interface to the SDS (where the technician plugs their laptop in) port under the engine cowl and you will need a special adapter cable to do that. Yu will then need a network extension cable to bring the network connection up to the dashboard s you can connect it to the SMI gauge, power etc.

If it didn't come with any gauges and the SMIS gauge is all that you have, then i would suggest taking it back to whoever fitted it and get them to install it for you. The configuration process is pretty straightforward, just check the manual and it tells you what to do.

As per the previous post, have a look at the Lowrance website and search there for NMeA 2000 network and suzuki, you will find useful info and diagrams etc there.

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no analog gauges. I bough the motor used, and paid the Suzuki dealer to install and setup. I bought and ran the engine harness, control box and gauge, They were supposed to do install and proper setup.

I thought the gauge was all that was needed, but the dealer seems clueless when I asked them about the issues I was having. This is an authorized suzuki dealer too.
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some dealers aren't up on the gage choices. If there is no network installed then no, you don't have a power node. the power wires to the gages are lights and alarms not to power the network. before you do anything, download the manual and read it. I am not sure what you have installed or not installed and don't think you ought to start buying stuff till you have a rough idea of the system you will need. The power node will plug into a short single connector from you underdash harness near the switch key, this has no power till the key is on.
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This may be basic and not apply to you. My df200 has the analog gauges. When you first turn on the key all of the alarms light up and the buzzer sounds for a few seconds to show that they are working. No other brand I know of does this, are the alarms temporary or are they staying on?
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some dealers aren't up on the gage choices. If there is no network installed then no, you don't have a power node. the power wires to the gages are lights and alarms not to power the network. before you do anything, download the manual and read it. I am not sure what you have installed or not installed and don't think you ought to start buying stuff till you have a rough idea of the system you will need. The power node will plug into a short single connector from you underdash harness near the switch key, this has no power till the key is on.

Ok, got some new stuff ordered and hopefully will get the network up and running. I had a LMF 400 in the past and remember a decent amount on setting it up , and recognized right way that's what this gauge was. Not sure hwy the dealer sent me on my way with this half ass setup though.


999, it is a constant alarm for every option possible,and also is doing all kinds of random fwd reverse and neutral displays on the gauge.
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You will need a Suzuki engine interface cable and connect it to the engine harness at one end, and the NMEA 2000 network at the other end.

First, the harness connectors under the cowl will need to be plugged in the correct way to get digital engine data to the harness plugs behind the dash. I suspect that they are not correctly connected at the moment and this may well be the cause of all of the alarms you are getting. Contact a competent Suzuki dealer to find out how the harness needs to be connected under the cowl in order for the required digital data to be provided at the dash for SMIS gauges.

Then, you need to establish the NMEA 2000 network, connect the interface cable to the engine harness and also to the network, get a power node connected to the network, and also connect the SMIS gauge to the network.

The final step is to configure the system in the menu of the SMIS gauge. This involves setting the engine year, horsepower, fuel tank size and location etc.

Hope this helps.

Lakensea, a member here on THT, is a Suzuki dealer and may be able to help re the engine harness arrangements to get digital data to the helm instead of analogue data.

But please, you need to set down in an organised and methodical fashion exactly the current setup that you have, and what components you have and do not have, otherwise it becomes pretty difficult for anyone to offer any real assistance to you.
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My current setup is..

2007 Suzuki 300

smis 4" gauge with included wiring to power gauge

I have this complete control kit
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190836651047...84.m1497.l2649

In addition, I bought the main wiring harness that runs from the console to the motor.

I do not have anything else for the nmea 2k network.

I have ordered the following items.

Lowrance starter kit http://www.ebay.com/itm/390603288880...84.m1497.l2649

Suzuki harness adapter http://www.ebay.com/itm/230584529375...84.m1497.l2649

is this the correct harness adapter needed or am I still missing something.

Thanks again!
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if you don't have this you will need it, engine interface, http://www.blueheronmarine.com/Offsh...Interface-7905

ps. you really should not need the starter kit, just a power node, two terminating resistors (M/F), and two tees ( assuming the LMF400 came with a tee).
the engine interface will screw on one tee. the gps antenna on another, and the lmf400 on another tee.

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Originally Posted by knotreel View Post
if you don't have this you will need it, engine interface, http://www.blueheronmarine.com/Offsh...Interface-7905

ps. you really should not need the starter kit, just a power node, two terminating resistors (M/F), and two tees ( assuming the LMF400 came with a tee).
the engine interface will screw on one tee. the gps antenna on another, and the lmf400 on another tee.

thanks for the help I will get that harness ordered now. I bought the starter kit b/c it seemed like the same price or a little less than ordering the pieces separately, and had everything I need (hopefully!!)
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just found this http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/002954.html which seems to say that the interface I already ordered is the correct one (an might be the same as you posted)


SO, do you think this is all I need or do I need the interface cable you posted also. here is what I ordered, http://www.ebay.com/itm/230584529375...84.m1497.l2649
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alright,< Started poking around today, and actually found I already do have a network backbone built. 3 t's with ends, and Suzuki interface cable is hooked up under the console.


I did buy this part below. Can anyone tell me if this is needed and where it plugs up? also, Is another adapter now needed or is this it?

Part No: 990C0-88131
Weight: 0 lbs 4 ozs

Manufacturer: Suzuki Outboard - # 990C0-88131
Suzuki Single adapter with power and DF300 harness connection to engine interface. Special Adaptor must be used with SMIS Engine Interface to connect the DF300 Outboard to the system.
Price: $36.95
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Zuke 300s have always been only available with SMIS gauges. No analog choice. So no reconfig is needed at the engine end to send analog data over the NMEA network.

For the most basic of installs, you need an engine interface, a power drop, 3 tees, and 2 termination resistors. If you want GPS speed, you need a puck and another tee. And of course, the gauge...
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Originally Posted by seabob4 View Post
Zuke 300s have always been only available with SMIS gauges. No analog choice. So no reconfig is needed at the engine end to send analog data over the NMEA network.

For the most basic of installs, you need an engine interface, a power drop, 3 tees, and 2 termination resistors. If you want GPS speed, you need a puck and another tee. And of course, the gauge...

not to worried about the GPS right now. Just cant get my gauge to readout any info other than rpms. and it is constantly flashing all kinds of false alarms.

I have engine interface, power drop, 3 tees and 2 terminators. I thought I needed the engine interface adapter, so that is what I bought, btu I dotn have a clue where to hook it up. I am remembering all the problems I had now with my old ep-60's and trying to get them configured to my lowrance GPS. That was when it would take about 1.5-2 hours to get customer support at lowrance. At least that seems to have improved. I called yesterday and got right through but they guy didn't see to know much and told me to call suzuki
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Try this. Unconfigure the engine, then, with the battery charger hooked up, re-configure. Early Zukes, the configuration needs high voltage...
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250s and below need the interface adapter. Square on one end, round on the other, correct?

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