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Old 02-22-2013, 08:35 PM
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Ok, I know these things are popular, and I installed one 5 or 6 years ago, but the new ones are ridiculous. So many ways for possible water intrusion on these mounts, plus the light bar is a joke.

I also love how there are no written instructions, only pictures. I feel like I'm putting together one of my kids cheap chinese made toy set.

I have one of the new Raymarine 418HD radomes I'm installing and the radar cable comes up thru a hole I drilled in the pilot house roof. (Sealed the hole with Smith's penetrating epoxy first).
Then thru a cheesy cone shaped rubber grommet the size of a tennis ball that won't stay in place. Seaview wants you to glue the grommet in with 3M 4000. The way it's designed, water will sit on top of it and eventually find its way inside the tower.

The light bar is another way water can/will intrude. They give you a rubber sleeve and want you to coat it with vaseline. The gasket sleeve distorts when you tighten the clamp.

Needless to say, very disappointed with the mount. I've already drilled holes into the hardtop, so I'm committed.

Here is a picture of the old style mount. Not sure why they changed things up, as this style worked great.
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Old 02-22-2013, 08:36 PM
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Here is my new one.
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Old 02-22-2013, 09:05 PM
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Is the light bar supposed to be able to be pulled out, then laid down to reduce trailering height?

I just though of how I'm going to fix this.....where the radar cable goes thru the hardtop, I'll put a blueSeas cable clam. The radar tower will sit over the clam.
My hard top is balsa wood. I'd sure hate for water to eventually leak in and around things.

To compound things, Raymarine says not to over bend the cable.
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Old 02-23-2013, 09:19 AM
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I'll take a stab at this anomaly. If you look at illustration #14 on the instructions, it appears that Seaview intends that the radar cable exit the mount in the same fashion as you have shown in your original mount (through a hole in the mast). If that is the case, then you have installed a light bar where the cable is supposed to exit the mast, which means Seaview sent you the wrong (non-light bar) mount. On the other hand, illustration #13 appears to show that you have rigged the mount properly. I'd say a phone call to Seaview is in order.

My Seaview mount is shown here, not a perfect solution for avoiding a bend in the cable, but as good as I could get it.
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Old 02-23-2013, 10:16 AM
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thanks for the reply.
I'd be happy with a tower like yours. The grommet is heavy duty, and in a position to prevent water intrusion.
The new Seaviews come in components. Base. Top plate. Then any other add ons.
Today I'll take a picture of the grommet for the top plate. Talk about hokey!
The top plate has a large hole right in the middle of it that the grommet is supposed to fit into. The grommet is very thin and delicate. Looks like it will rip easily.

I'm surprised nobody else has complained about these new designs.
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Originally Posted by westbootie View Post
The new Seaviews come in components. Base. Top plate. Then any other add ons.
I noticed that. It seems as though all the Seaview designs are problematic in one way or another. If it were me, I'd work on a design in which the cable exit and the light bar attachment point were in different planes, so that they don't interfere with one another, and the cable bend would be less severe. Mine works though, so I shouldn't complain.
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Old 02-23-2013, 02:28 PM
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I think I have things buttoned up... just finished up with the install.

I used 3M4000 to secure the chezzy gasket around the edges and then where the radar cable goes thru the gasket, I used silicone to seal that.

pictures to follow.....
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Now that I've perused the Seaview site, it's clear to me that you have installed everything just as Seaview intended. The new modular design does have its advantages. The toilet bowl shape is actually very attractive.
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here is a couple of pictures of the install.
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Old 02-24-2013, 08:15 AM
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That looks great. Which masthead light did you rig it with? ... display? You're going to like the radar. So will the birds. When in storage, I put a big plastic garbage bag over the whole mess. Might help you with rain if you're still concerned about water intrusion.
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Thanks Pez
After a day or two, I'll lift the radome off slightly just to make sure the rubber gasket seal didn't break loose while bending the stiff radar cable.
My b oat is on a trailer at my house and I have a nice cover. So more worried about water w
Intrusion over time while under way.
I'm MFD is a e97 hybrid touch.
Can't wait to get this all done and actually use the boat!
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Old 02-25-2013, 12:25 PM
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Hey Guys.... being associated with Seaview makes me totally 100% bias .... but here is my response to some of the concerns.

MOUNT RE-DESIGN... we listened to our customer feedback over the last 10 years and felt we solved most of the major issues with our new product. Old mount biggest issues were the 1" light bar was not large enough for multiple electonic cables to pass and it tended to fall over. Now we use 1 1/4" light bar that is VERY secure after installation. Also, we had to put multiple hole patterns in the top plate to fit several different electronic brands and people didnt like the Swiss Cheese look... now we use an anodized aluminum plate with many hole patterns in it followed by injection molding white ABS plastic around the plate to hide all holes. All you have to do is follow the drill template to easily drill through the plastic so it matches up with your given electronics. Because the new mounts are modular you can also easily add spreader kits or various light bars. We honestly have had nothing but rave reviews on our new product design.

GASKET for cable... we designed this "shifter-boot" gasket so that it can safely stretch over 1 1/4 diameter without any issues. We do recommend that all points (around gasket, bolts, light bar etc) get some silicone to help the prevention of water.

LIGHT BAR ... the light bar actually enters the mounts and travels through an o-ring in our casting to prevent water intrusion. The rubber gasket I think you are referring to is a part of our clamp design to hold and secure the light bar. This design also gives you the option to fold the light bar over 90 degrees if needed.

INSTRUCTIONS... believe it or not we actually put A LOT of time into our instructions in attempt to guide the customer through the installation. If at any time there was confusion during the install we would hope to get a phone call. Seaview product is sold world wide and the new instructions overall seem to be working very well. We are always open to suggestions for improvement and are constantly making little changes in attempt to improve our products/ instructions.

Finally I leave you with this ... your installation of the new Seaview Modular Mount looks very nice to me & I would be very surprised to hear you had any water instrusion. We have been shipping these for almost 2 yrs now and have not had a single complaint about this yet.

Let me know if you have any questions - Jason at Seaview ([email protected])
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Old 02-27-2013, 11:02 PM
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Hi Jason
Thanks for the detailed response and compliments on my install.

If I could be so bold as to offer some constructive advice regarding the product?
First off, I'm not a professional marine electronics installer but I have installed your radar tower on my last 2 boats (as seen in the pictures I posted).

First: The "shifter boot" gasket. The picture instructions recommend 3M4000 around the periphery to seal it in place. However, when the flimsy gasket is placed, and then periphery sealed with 3M 4000, I found the bulky, stiff radar cable could dislodge the gasket. I plan on checking mine tomorrow. If it is dislodged during the install of the radome, you can't go back and "fix" it after it has hardened. Can you?
Lastly, the gasket doesn't seat very securely into the rim of the top plate. It's easily dislodged. This is my number one complaint.

My HD radar cable is very stiff. Raymarine clearly specifies how far you can bend the cable. For my install, you can clearly see I over-bent the cable in order to navigate the cable between the radome and the top plate and then thru the gasket. It would be great if there was a way to get the cable into the tower without having to bend it so much.

The light bar is great. Very sturdy. I was confused about the large rubber bushing and the vaseline. Why vaseline the bushing? Won't that degrade the rubber over time? I cut my bushing lengthwise....correct?
I'm assuming the lube is so you can loosen the allen bolts and then fold it over?

Lastly, I found the foam gasket for the tower to the hardtop to be a bit weak. I omitted it, and used straight sealant.

I think the instructions could be improved with just a bit of narrative in certain spots. I guess I understand thug why you guys favor the pictorial instructions. Selling the product worldwide, you'd have to have it written in every language.

Over all, the quality of the product is great (except the shifter gasket). I just expected to receive the same product I bought 5 years ago and was surprised when it was reworked, making it more complicated.
If that shifter gasket is on solid and sealed up, I'll be a happy camper.

Thanks Jason!
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Originally Posted by jason.romesburg View Post
INSTRUCTIONS... believe it or not we actually put A LOT of time into our instructions in attempt to guide the customer through the installation. If at any time there was confusion during the install we would hope to get a phone call. Seaview product is sold world wide and the new instructions overall seem to be working very well. We are always open to suggestions for improvement and are constantly making little changes in attempt to improve our products/ instructions.
May I suggest a second look at illustration #14. The intent appears to illustrate the good practice of creating a drip loop in the antenna cable, however it also appears to route the cable through the mast, instead of through the gap between the top plate and the dome, as shown in the other illustrations.

http://www.seaviewglobal.com/system/...tions_5-36.pdf
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Very few gaskets and O-rings are made of rubber these days. Vaseline should not harm it but if you prefer a silicon based grease should accomplish the same objective.
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Originally Posted by Pez Vela View Post
May I suggest a second look at illustration #14. The intent appears to illustrate the good practice of creating a drip loop in the antenna cable, however it also appears to route the cable through the mast, instead of through the gap between the top plate and the dome, as shown in the other illustrations.

http://www.seaviewglobal.com/system/...tions_5-36.pdf
My apology to all... Pez is right regarding our installation instructions. The cable should loop and then travel under the radar dome and through the gasket as shown in steps 10-13. Somehow we missed that last image and will revise today. Thank you!
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Hi Jason
Thanks for the detailed response and compliments on my install.

If I could be so bold as to offer some constructive advice regarding the product?
First off, I'm not a professional marine electronics installer but I have installed your radar tower on my last 2 boats (as seen in the pictures I posted).

First: The "shifter boot" gasket. The picture instructions recommend 3M4000 around the periphery to seal it in place. However, when the flimsy gasket is placed, and then periphery sealed with 3M 4000, I found the bulky, stiff radar cable could dislodge the gasket. I plan on checking mine tomorrow. If it is dislodged during the install of the radome, you can't go back and "fix" it after it has hardened. Can you?
Lastly, the gasket doesn't seat very securely into the rim of the top plate. It's easily dislodged. This is my number one complaint.

My HD radar cable is very stiff. Raymarine clearly specifies how far you can bend the cable. For my install, you can clearly see I over-bent the cable in order to navigate the cable between the radome and the top plate and then thru the gasket. It would be great if there was a way to get the cable into the tower without having to bend it so much.

The light bar is great. Very sturdy. I was confused about the large rubber bushing and the vaseline. Why vaseline the bushing? Won't that degrade the rubber over time? I cut my bushing lengthwise....correct?
I'm assuming the lube is so you can loosen the allen bolts and then fold it over?

Lastly, I found the foam gasket for the tower to the hardtop to be a bit weak. I omitted it, and used straight sealant.

I think the instructions could be improved with just a bit of narrative in certain spots. I guess I understand thug why you guys favor the pictorial instructions. Selling the product worldwide, you'd have to have it written in every language.

Over all, the quality of the product is great (except the shifter gasket). I just expected to receive the same product I bought 5 years ago and was surprised when it was reworked, making it more complicated.
If that shifter gasket is on solid and sealed up, I'll be a happy camper.

Thanks Jason!
Thank you for the input, we really do appreciate hearing about the pain points so we can further improve our product. I will review the gasket again here with the design team in hopes that we will have a better solution by the time you install your third Seaview mount

3M4000 can still be removed (does not harden like a 3M5200 would).

We supply the base foam gasket due to customer request. I agree that a better installation is using a sealant vs the foam gasket. Some like the foam so that if they ever have to remove the mount the base is much cleaner.

The light bar rubber bushing should already have a slit in it or a place that is very easy to open (tear) so you dont have to cut it. The vaseline is as you said, to help slide the light bar in and out of the rubber as you are trying to install or lay it over. This will not degrade the rubber.

Thanks again and if i missed anything or there are more questions please let me know.
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Thank you Jason
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