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Old 02-16-2013, 03:30 PM
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I just bought my first boat and the electronics are old. Whats a good reliable brand? And should i choose seperate units or a combo?? Any help is appreciated.
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Originally Posted by Jrgoss0311 View Post
I just bought my first boat and the electronics are old. Whats a good reliable brand? And should i choose seperate units or a combo?? Any help is appreciated.
What is the best flavor of ice cream?

That question is at least as answerable as the one you asked.



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The gentleman is excited about his 1st boat, and he should be. I think he's asking for some help about something for which he has little knowledge, not a gesture such as that. That's the sort of "help" which leaves an indelible impression of its members and the forum. Fortunately they are isolated and not cute in the least.
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Originally Posted by Jrgoss0311 View Post
I just bought my first boat and the electronics are old. Whats a good reliable brand? And should i choose seperate units or a combo?? Any help is appreciated.
Congratulations....

Nothing like a first boat..a first child or a first divorce.
:...
The first two are the best .
The first and the last can end up costing about the same...

Tell us about where you are going to be fishing.
Your fishing condition are what we can use to help you....also tell us about your boat.
The type of boat is important...and is it new or previously owned.




Also..have you had any experience with marine electronics so far?

One of the best things to do after you read a few posts is to find a marine electronics big box store and just play with the units.

Also..see if there are any local bost show going on....that would be a fun day..
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Originally Posted by Itteldoo View Post
What is the best flavor of ice cream?

That question is at least as answerable as the one you asked.


No, it's not. He didn't ask best and he asked for help and what was reliable.

0311, can you give us some info on where and what you fish for? The type of boat you have? Have you set a budget yet? If not you should, suggestions - recommendations will change depending on it..
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Well it depends on how big your boat is and how much space u have for them. Also where u r fishing and if u are offshore fishing.I use garmin which for the money is great and easy to use.Most of the 5 and 7 inch units in any brand u can get GPS and Sounder all in one with a bulit in antenna.Saves u on room and does everything u need.A lot of people like the new Lowrances because of the side imaging sounder and all the extra features the sounder has.Also depends on how much money u want to spend.Most every brand makes a good unit u just have to decide on what features u like and how big a screen u want.Garmin is probably the cheapest and easiest to use.Then Lowrance and Hummingbird.Then u step up to raymarine and furuno.Those 2 r pretty expensive. QUOTE=Jrgoss0311;5376203]I just bought my first boat and the electronics are old. Whats a good reliable brand? And should i choose seperate units or a combo?? Any help is appreciated.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by Following C View Post
The gentleman is excited about his 1st boat, and he should be. I think he's asking for some help about something for which he has little knowledge, not a gesture such as that. That's the sort of "help" which leaves an indelible impression of its members and the forum. Fortunately they are isolated and not cute in the least.
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No, it's not. He didn't ask best and he asked for help and what was reliable.
And exactly how do you propose to provide that help, with absolutely NO context to base it on? The OP provided ZERO information about what sort of boat he just bought, or where/how he intends to use it, or even the slightest clue as to what his budget might be.

We could be talking about this:



or this:



or even this:




And depending in part on that, he could spend $500 on the new electronics, or he could spend $50,000 -- and neither would necessarily be inapropriate.

Further, any sweeping generalizations about "Brand A" vs. "Brand B" being universally "better" or "more reliable" would be laughably meaningless -- or just plain wrong.


0311, can you give us some info on where and what you fish for?
Most of the other responses also seemed to presume that his primary interest is fishing; but as yet we have no reason to assume even that much.

So I ask again: Exactly HOW do you usefully answer such a completely vague and open-ended question, save to point out that the question IS unanswerable?



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The title of the thread asks about a "fishfinder", so it would be reasonable to think that he wants to find some fish to catch (otherwise known as fishing).

Itteldoo, The OP has been a member of THT for about 2-3 months and has a small number of posts to his name. How about congratulating him on buying his first boat, commending him for joining a great forum that he can learn quite a bit from, and being happy that he is at least trying to get some info about the right way to set up his first boat/? Instead, your first response to him comes across as a condescending A$$ who would rather play the "know it all" than the "helpful" member who is really here to assist. There's no doubt that you know your stuff about electronics, but read Semperfifishing's response and take a lesson on how to treat people. Unless the person proves himself to be a moron, there's no reason to treat him like one right off the bat. It holds true in life and it holds true here on THT.

that being said, without any other info provided, I'll attempt to provide some guidance based on the original questions asked... most any of the big name players offer solid products. Garmin, Simrad, Furuno, Lowrance all offer varying degrees of quality products that will suit most any boater, be it a 14 foot aluminum boat or a 41 foot bluewater sailboat. Those are some names that you can start researching.

Having separate units are my preference because I don't like split screens. But, I also have the space on my dash that allows me to do that. I also find that the larger the screens, the better. So, let us know what boat you bought and it will give us a better idea of what sort of dash area you have. You might be able to fit only one 12 inch screen, which can work ok in split screen format because it is large enough to provide useful views of each split. Or perhaps you can only fit one 7 inch screen, in which case we can assist in advising the ideal unit that will fit your boat and your needs.

Rigging out any boat, especially your first, is a daunting yet exciting process. With the right questions and info, there are a lot of great people on here that would love to help without making you feel like ANY question you ask is a bad one. Semperfifishing (aka Gil) is one of those guys. Jim at BOE Marine is another.
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x2 coores14 The guy ask for help not ice cream!!!
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I would definitly say ice cream would be an easier conversation than this. It is my first boat so i didnt know all that info was needed. Info was obviously needed as much as some of the posts were not needed.
I bought a 2004 21ft cape horn with 200hp yam hpdi. I am out of panama city fl and will be doing plenty of diving, trolling and bottom fishing. Also will be traveling around other areas such as destin and pensacola from time to time. The boat is white and likes long walks on the beach and a nice glass of merlot every now and then. As for me i prefer jim beam and dont actually care for ice cream. I
I will definitley not be spending $50000 on electronics. If i had that kind of money i would definitly have a bigger boat to put this boat on the bow.
As far as experience goes, i am a captain on a tug boat that pushes barges in the icww and on the rivers. So i dont have a lot of experince with these electronics. So i am definitly looking for one that is user friendly for beginners. Also my question that i forgot to post was to get opinions on gps/fishfinder combosor get seperate units? And opinions on what units seasoned veterans like, since i dont have much experience. Thanks for any input that doesnt include ice cream.
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Originally Posted by Itteldoo View Post
And exactly how do you propose to provide that help, with absolutely NO context to base it on? The OP provided ZERO information about what sort of boat he just bought, or where/how he intends to use it, or even the slightest clue as to what his budget might be.

We could be talking about this:



or this:



or even this:




And depending in part on that, he could spend $500 on the new electronics, or he could spend $50,000 -- and neither would necessarily be inapropriate.

Further, any sweeping generalizations about "Brand A" vs. "Brand B" being universally "better" or "more reliable" would be laughably meaningless -- or just plain wrong.




Most of the other responses also seemed to presume that his primary interest is fishing; but as yet we have no reason to assume even that much.

So I ask again: Exactly HOW do you usefully answer such a completely vague and open-ended question, save to point out that the question IS unanswerable?


Hey, you were wrong with your smart ass response, Own it
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And also, i have been looking a lot at furuno and lowrance products. Kinda liking them. Any thoughts.
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Not gonna get into a pissing contest with you. I answered the question after i read the posts. A simple more info needed would have been fine. I am new to this and didnt know. So yes i will own it. Thanks again.
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For less than $400, you can buy a combo unit with down imaging sonar. Lowrance, Humminbird, and Garmin make economical units that will do everything you need and probably more. Have fun and dont overthink it. They are all pretty good these days.
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Thanks. I appreciate the info.i see the prices on some units get high real quick. Dont want to overspend for my first since thats when i will really be figuring out what will work best later down the road. My gps now is an old koden.
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Originally Posted by Jrgoss0311 View Post
I bought a 2004 21ft cape horn with 200hp yam hpdi. I am out of panama city fl and will be doing plenty of diving, trolling and bottom fishing. Also will be traveling around other areas such as destin and pensacola from time to time.
OK, now that we have some idea what we're dealing with...

Does this:



accurately represent your helm console? I'm not asking about the currently installed gear, just the configuration and approximate dimensions of the console itself, particularly that "upper panel" area.

The fellow who posted that pic says that's a Raymarine E80 installed in that recessed area under the plexiglass, which at least gives us something to go on, size-wise. According to Google, the dimensions of an E80 are 11.14"X 8.27"X 5.27".

If all this is correct, it looks like you'll be limited to one modest-size (8-inch or so screen) MFD, unless you want to get ambitious enough to either build an overlay panel or get some fiberglass work done to get rid of that recess and make one big panel out of the entire top section of your console.

That's not necessarily a crippling limitation, as some reasonably nice stuff will fit in that space. For example http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US...ter-en-us.aspx, http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US...SS8-en-us.aspx, http://www.furuno.com/en/business_pr...s=recreational, https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=28116, http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Produc...uch-en-us.aspx; and MAYBE even http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Produc...uch-en-us.aspx or http://www.thegpsstore.com/Raymarine...ith-Sonar.aspx could be squeezed in, but they're at least "iffy". OTOH, but this http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Produc...S10-en-us.aspx, this http://www.simrad-yachting.com/en-US...ter-en-us.aspx and this http://www.furuno.com/en/business_pr...s=recreational are probably all too much, at least without going the overlay route.

Were it my boat, I'd probably do the overlay or glass work, in order to fit TWO 8-/9-inch displays, rather that try to force a single 12-inch or larger unit in. Having two displays offers several advantages beyond just increased screen real-estate, especially if/when you get into the more advanced SONAR and RADAR applications.


I will definitley not be spending $50000 on electronics. If i had that kind of money i would definitly have a bigger boat to put this boat on the bow.
Heh, heh, heh, $50K would not buy a boat nearly large enough to use yours as a tender.


As far as experience goes, i am a captain on a tug boat that pushes barges in the icww and on the rivers. So i dont have a lot of experince with these electronics. So i am definitly looking for one that is user friendly for beginners.
Garmin has long had a rep for being newbie-friendly; and it was at least mostly deserved. OTOH, the current-generation models from most vendors are at least comparable. Things have come a long way on the user-interface front over the past few years. That said, when comes to this issue, there is simply no substitute for getting out there to a boat show or a well-stocked retailer and trying them out yourself. The user interface is a highly subjective thing; you'll like some, detest others.

Given your intended usage, a good fishfinder is going to be a must; and you will likely also have use for side-scanning SONAR. I suggest that you read up on this technology, to get a better understanding of what it can do for you:

http://pro.simrad-yachting.com/uploa...e_LR_03-12.pdf
http://www.lowrance.com/Products/Son...uctureScan-HD/
http://www.lowrance.com/Products/HDS...ctureMap-View/
http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Products/Sonar/
http://pro.simrad-yachting.com/en-US...-HD-en-us.aspx

You didn't specifically mention RADAR; but it's something that you may wish to consider -- if not as something to purchase immediately, at least as something to prepare for when making your other gear selections.

Based on what you've told us so far, I doubt you'll be trying to mark birds with your RADAR, at least not for a long time. Therefore, the priority is close-in performance for collision avoidance and navigation under reduced-visibility conditions. For that application, NOTHING beats the Simrad "Broadband 4G" http://pro.simrad-yachting.com/en-US...Pro-en-us.aspx; and the only thing which even comes close is its "little brother", the "Broadband 3G" http://pro.simrad-yachting.com/en-US...Pro-en-us.aspx (which is also available from Lowrance http://www.lowrance.com/en-US/Products/Radar/, as they are sister companies).


Also my question that i forgot to post was to get opinions on gps/fishfinder combosor get seperate units?
For your purposes, one or two integrated MFDs (Multi-Function Displays) are the way to go, no question. While, as mentioned above, having multiple screens can be very useful, if you dedicate one of them to JUST a fishfinder, or JUST a RADAR, you lose a great deal of flexibility. Besides, given your helm configuration, you only have room for one decent-size display unless you make the modifications described above, or bracket-mount one or more units atop the console, which would seriously play hob with your sightlines -- not recommended.


And opinions on what units seasoned veterans like, since i dont have much experience. Thanks for any input that doesnt include ice cream.
Personally, I like the Simrad NSE series, with the NSS series a reasonably close second choice; some folks like to get one of each, in order to get access to all the possible features (I prefer to have only one user interface to learn in depth). The brand-spankin'-new Garmin 8000-series stuff also looks very nice, but it's hideously expensive.


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And also, i have been looking a lot at furuno and lowrance products. Kinda liking them. Any thoughts.
Here's as close as I'll come to a sweeping generalization in this thread: Lowrance is the "bottom rung" of Navico's "corporate ladder", so to speak (with Simrad and B&G occupying the upmarket rungs); and as such, generally offers a lot of "bang for the buck"; but their products also tend to lack a certain "polish" or "finished-ness" that can be off-putting. In addition, their newest line of MFDs (the HDS Gen2-Touch series) is having some semi-major "teething pains" right now (see other threads here on THT). Meanwhile, Furuno has long been known to produce rock-solid gear with very conservative feature sets, at a very premium price; that's a polite way of saying that, while it's very well-built, Furuno's stuff tends to be expensive for what you get, and lags the market in at least some ways (for example, they just this week FINALLY introduced their first CHIRP-based sounder, and it seems rather underwhelming at that) -- still, they have their die-hard fans.


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Not gonna get into a pissing contest with you. I answered the question after i read the posts. A simple more info needed would have been fine. I am new to this and didnt know. So yes i will own it. Thanks again.
Don't worry. I'm pretty sure he was taking a shot at me, not you.



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That is the exact console. Definitly not a lot of room for a lot. I was leaning towards one big do it all but will have to check the measurments. I have thought about a radar maybe further down the road, but not sure yet. I truly appreciate the info. I will be looking at the simrads since i havent looked to much at them. I definitley like some of the magellan products im seeing online. When i get off the boat in a couple weeks i will be going to the local boat stores and playing with what they have to get a better feel for what i like. I appreciate all the help and look forward to talking to most of you again. Will let yall know if i find or decide on a setup. Thanks again.
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That is the exact console. Definitly not a lot of room for a lot. I was leaning towards one big do it all but will have to check the measurments.
Do that. And while you're measuring, keep in mind that you might wind up wanting to move some stuff around -- such as, for example, that switch panel (which I'm guessing is stock, and therefore also on your boat) near the upper-left corner (which, due to where it's placed, "eats" way more usable panel space than it really should, given its actual size).


I have thought about a radar maybe further down the road, but not sure yet.
That's OK. Just bear in mind that the "big three" items -- the MFD/chartplotter, sounder module(s), and RADAR -- in any marine electronics suite MUST be from the same manufacturer; and there are often even model-model restrictions within any given manufacturer's line. This is why it's important to at least consider the RADAR choices when shopping for an MFD, so you don't effectively rule out the models you'd really want when the time comes.


I truly appreciate the info. I will be looking at the simrads since i havent looked to much at them. I definitley like some of the magellan products im seeing online.
Magellan?!?

They haven't been in the semi-serious marine electronics business for at least a decade or two. Where are you seeing their products?


When i get off the boat in a couple weeks i will be going to the local boat stores and playing with what they have to get a better feel for what i like. I appreciate all the help and look forward to talking to most of you again. Will let yall know if i find or decide on a setup. Thanks again.
Keep us posted; and good luck!



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Sorry. Didnt mean magellan. Garmin. I actually saw a couple of magellans on one of the links above and didnt care for them. As far as the radar goes, i didnt know about it all being compatible. Very good point i will keep in mind.
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http://www.thegpsstore.com/Lowrance-...I-Basemap.aspx this is one of the ones i really like. Any thoughts on it?

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