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Old 02-12-2013, 09:59 AM
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Default Furuno CHIRP Sonar at the Miami Boat show...UPDATE.now shipping.

FUSA plans to debut the DFF1-UHD at the Miami International Boat Show and will start delivery this spring.

Up date: DFF1-UFD units now shipping



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Soooooo.....
At least we now know that all the information we will be asking can be answered at the Miami Boat Show direct from the Furuno reps.

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Old 02-12-2013, 10:22 AM
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This mean you booked your flight to Miami now?
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:51 PM
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Someone please send details from da show!
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Old 02-14-2013, 02:23 AM
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http://furuno.com/en/business_produc...&category=Fish Finder&business=recreational






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Old 02-14-2013, 06:58 AM
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Seems odd looking at the brochure that Furuno would be working in the bands that they are with the transducers they are. 200+/-25 kHz that puts it at 175-225 kHz and paired with the 265LH which only has a band of 130-210 kHz. Anything above 210 kHz will be a waste, there will be very little output from the transducer. Same on the low, 42-65 kHz elements when you are operating below 42 kHz or above 65 kHz, very poor signal output and sensitivity.

Also doesn't seem completely clear that it will be a full CHIRP sounder, seems more like a frequency tune-able sounder like the KODEN CVS-FX1 which utilizes broadband capable transducers to be able operate over a wide range of frequencies instead of the standard 50/200.

Should be interesting to see if it is truly a CHIRP sounder and how it performs compared to the other CHIRP sounders.
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This CHIRP technology looks pretty fantastic but when I look at spending $2K + on the box and another $1.5K on the transducer I have to wonder if I want to really accurately see beneath the boat, or have money for fuel! I know if you have to worry about spending money, owning a boat is probably not for you but it just seems like the prices on gadgets like this, radar, big displays and night vision keeps this technology from being accessible to the average boater!

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Originally Posted by Zardoz View Post
This CHIRP technology looks pretty fantastic but when I look at spending $2K + on the box and another $1.5K on the transducer I have to wonder if I want to really accurately see beneath the boat, or have money for fuel!

Chris
CHIRP is going to play a major part in the future of sonar but the standard tone pulse systems will still have their place.

As far as cost...the Garmin 74s1xs is going to be in the more moderate price range...for the complete system one is looking at around the $2400. range.

https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?pID=119867

And Raymarine's new DragonFly..
http://www.raymarine.com/view/?id=6854




Lots of new units coming out.

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Originally Posted by Sonoboy View Post

Should be interesting to see if it is truly a CHIRP sounder and how it performs compared to the other CHIRP sounders.
The brochure is very minimal to be sure but this sounder should work with the complete lineup of Airmar CHIRP transducers.(Furuno just will probably test each and add to the list in time). ..and it is a CHIRP unit.
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Agreed, they probably will be adding more of the AIRMAR line up.

If the literature is true though the medium frequencies are out at 80-130kHz and the traditional Japanese markets love using frequencies in the 80kHz ranges.

Wouldn't be surprise to see a higher power model come out soon after as well since this is only a 1kW and Furuno has for years had 2-3kW sounders.
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Originally Posted by Sonoboy View Post
Wouldn't be surprise to see a higher power model come out soon after as well since this is only a 1kW and Furuno has for years had 2-3kW sounders.
CHIRP doesn't need anything like the same power as traditional tone-pulse SONAR does to be equally (or more) effective. The two technologies are simply not directly comparable in this respect.



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Originally Posted by Sonoboy View Post
Agreed, they probably will be adding more of the AIRMAR line up.

If the literature is true though the medium frequencies are out at 80-130kHz and the traditional Japanese markets love using frequencies in the 80kHz ranges.
The lineup of current Airmar CHIRP transducers covers these freq ranges and these are used with both the GSD-26 and the BSM-2.
I cannot imagine Furuno not being the same.


28-60, 38-75, 40-75, 40-60, 42-65, 80-130, 85-135, 130-210....kHz.
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This is from the Miami Show today. Furuno Chirp Demo.

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Originally Posted by dolphan View Post
This is from the Miami Show today. Furuno Chirp Demo.

Did they have one showing on both the NavNet 3D and the TZ touch?
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You're missing it Gil... All this Furuno fish finder porn in Florida and you're in California!
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Originally Posted by stiletto View Post
You're missing it Gil... All this Furuno fish finder porn in Florida and you're in California!
I'm going to be there this weekend.
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
Did they have one showing on both the NavNet 3D and the TZ touch?
Dunno which machine displayed the Chirp. I looked at it briefly but the pic you see is of a flatscreen tv duplicating the picture which was amazing. Here is the not so good photo of the furuno machine that was displaying the chirp.

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Originally Posted by dolphan View Post
Dunno which machine displayed the Chirp. I looked at it briefly but the pic you see is of a flatscreen tv duplicating the picture which was amazing. Here is the not so good photo of the furuno machine that was displaying the chirp.

I had my eyes dilated the other day and that was what everything look like most of the day.
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Itteldoo, completely agree they do not need the same power, all your gain with CHIRP is in signal processing with replica correlation, and you can put all the power you want into a transducer but at some point it will cavitate and become detrimental. That said still surprising they wouldn't want to support the R509 or R599 or even R111 to cater to the larger boats that have loved Furno equipment.

Semperfi, I can not imagine them not carrying them too but if we are to believe their published literature the 85-135 and 80-130 are currently out of the picture at the moment. Given how long it has taken them to come to market it is surprising that they do not have those bands,
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Semperfi....I'd love to get your reflection from the show. I am a Navnet3 user and have been holding off replacing a shoot through oil bath ducer in anticipation of Furuno CHIRP.

Interested to see what the recommendations and issues might be.
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So how many watts to chirp sounders usually operate on for the various frequencies? I know the old thinking of 1kw good, 2kw better is irrelevant with chirp.
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