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Old 07-04-2012, 04:15 PM
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Default why does sirius radar look like crap...

compared to xm ??
i should be getting my antenna for my hds 7 in a few days, and from the pics ive been looking at they are seriously behind xm in radar resolution...


whats the deal with that ??
wonder if they will be upgrading it anytime soon ?
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Old 07-04-2012, 04:34 PM
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I'm not sure that XM is that great either.
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Old 07-04-2012, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BottomPicker View Post
I'm not sure that XM is that great either.


why u got it ?
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Old 07-05-2012, 02:07 PM
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They both have there pro's and Con's. I've been VERY dissapointed that since they have merged, they have NOT merged the service and taken the best of both and merged them!!! I thought for sure that was going to happen, instead all they have done is raise there prices!!

Sirrius is better for SST info.

XM is better for Radar and weather info.
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Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
They both have there pro's and Con's. I've been VERY dissapointed that since they have merged, they have NOT merged the service and taken the best of both and merged them!!! I thought for sure that was going to happen, instead all they have done is raise there prices!!

Sirrius is better for SST info.

XM is better for Radar and weather info.
yeah and garmin is the only one that does xm.......

you would think you would have your choice with them all.....
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They use a different provider. While not pretty it will keep you dry and out of harms way. For example on Tuesday night my friend and I arrived to the Swordfishing grounds around 9 PM. To the south east we saw a lot of heat lightning in the sky. Obviously a cause for alarm. Once we zoomed out a bit we realized that the storm in question was actually about 35 miles from us and moving south and we were drifting north. We also watched a patch of light rain about 3 miles outside and north of our drift... no danger just dont want to run home all wet at 1 AM. It is a good product overall and works well for its intended purpose.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:27 AM
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It is a good product overall and works well for its intended purpose.
Yes, but they could EASILY make it a MUCH better product, and make it MUCH cheaper while they are at it. It's REDICULOUS we have to pay $50 per MONTH for a lousy weather service.

Those idiots at at XM and SIRRUS really need to get off there fat arses and fix the service.
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Old 07-06-2012, 08:40 AM
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Garmin issued a software update to allow the newer units to read higher resolution sst data from xm. It still is pretty poor, but at least the cartoonish quality is gone. The issue continues to be the quality of the underlying data, but at least the presentation is easier to look at.
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Originally Posted by Birdman View Post
Yes, but they could EASILY make it a MUCH better product, and make it MUCH cheaper while they are at it. It's REDICULOUS we have to pay $50 per MONTH for a lousy weather service.

Those idiots at at XM and SIRRUS really need to get off there fat arses and fix the service.
If a lot more people subscribed I think the price would come down.... I mean for Lowrance they were giving away the hardware with a rebate...... I agree it could be better. but overall I am happy with it but it will never be like viper radar on local TV or the internet
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I'm with Danny, it's useful and with the Lowrance systems wasn't that bad to get it going. The rebate was for more than I paid for the unit (although I haven't seen the rebate $$ yet). The cost/month was something like 39$ and I could turn it off once/year. I fish/boat for about 6 months a year so I paid for a whole year and will turn it off in the winter.

Zoomed in is where I start to get a bit disappointed. Pixelates really quickly. 1 pixel per 1/2 mile or something. Zoomed out, you're fine, zoomed in you're disappointed.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:33 PM
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If there is always a 3g/4g internet connection, is there any reason to use subscription XM or Sirius
services for radar, vs. free NEXRAD radar via Wunderground or NOAA?

I boat on a 125 mile long inland lake and cell and internet are generally always available...would there be any reason to activate XM or Sirius, or to even get onboard radar for weather purposes (as opposed to navigational purposes or fishing purposes)?

Doesn't both and Sirius and XM utilize NEXRAD? Or, am I just behind a bit?
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Here's the true value of XM & Siriius Weather. Garmin & XM does a much better job of displaying animation and Marine Warning Areas than Simrad & Sirius.

This video is was shot when Garmin had really smoothed out the pixels (a lot of folks were unhappy with this because they though it made it look to artifical plus it used up too many resources).


http://bluewaterpirate.phanfare.com/2159331_2324365


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XM uses NEXRAD and Sirius uses NOWRAD. Each service uses different weather providers (XM uses Barons thru its WXWorks Division and Sirius WSI). On an inland lake that has Internet services use your cell phone.


Garmin 740 & XM .....














Simrad NSS8 & Sirius (same system as the above picture)












These two units sit side by side on my Whaler .....





Important note: The Sirius WM2 does not feed cloud displays to the NSS or NSE series chartplotters. That was verified by Navico project manager. I use cloud cover displays a lot.

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Originally Posted by Karl in NY View Post
If there is always a 3g/4g internet connection, is there any reason to use subscription XM or Sirius
services for radar, vs. free NEXRAD radar via Wunderground or NOAA?

I boat on a 125 mile long inland lake and cell and internet are generally always available...would there be any reason to activate XM or Sirius, or to even get onboard radar for weather purposes (as opposed to navigational purposes or fishing purposes)?

Doesn't both and Sirius and XM utilize NEXRAD? Or, am I just behind a bit?
no internet 20 miles off shore
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Sirius weather saved us just a couple of hours ago. Saw some clouds building while swimming in a cove anchored up with the family. i got out, checked the radar on thor phone which showed the cell well north. Checked the Sirius weather overlay and saw it much larger and heading our way - loaded the family up and ran a few miles (towards the storm) back to the dock - unloaded just as the lightening was starting to strike just a few miles away. Subscription paid for itself today....
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If they dropped the prices, more people (like me) would ante up for it. For now, its not worth the price of admission for a casual "mini offshore" guy.
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Originally Posted by nsvencer View Post
If they dropped the prices, more people (like me) would ante up for it. For now, its not worth the price of admission for a casual "mini offshore" guy.
Until you need it... then it's too late and worth every dollar.
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well with real radar, i can see a storm a good distance off and get a bearing on it to avoid. And with only a 21' boat, it takes a pretty sweet forecast for me to get out of cell range....
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well with real radar, i can see a storm a good distance off and get a bearing on it to avoid. And with only a 21' boat, it takes a pretty sweet forecast for me to get out of cell range....
If you see it on radar, it's too late, ESPECIALLY in a 23 foot boat!! Adn the problem is, are you ALWAYS scanning the long range on your radar for storms around you off in the distance?? Probably not.


I agree with Tom, the Storm displays are AWESOME. But there is not reason they can't put there minds together and fix the SST displays on the XM service, they we would have a great service all around. And in the meantime, drop the price to $20 a month and they will get millions singing up for it. Hell, if it were $20 a month, I'd buy a cheap display and receiver at home to leave up just for fun!!
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$20 bucks a month i'd be in.
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They have zero incentive to improve their service. There is no competition.
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