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Old 03-02-2012, 02:10 PM
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More and more I am convinced that satellite radio is going to die. I believe in the future you will just subscribe to a cloud music service and for $10 a month you can listen to whatever music you want pushed to whatever device you want including the car stereo. This service will be delivered via the cellular network and/wireless internet (802.11x). This is already here, it's just a matter of us adopting it.

There simply won't be enough volume in us boaters using XM weather and radio service to keep them in business.

So my question is...is anyone aware of a new technology that will deliver XM Weather like service to boaters?
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All I can say is their marketing/advertising is for the birds....

XM came on my truck, for 90 days. But it didn't have all the channels..Gotta have Nascar!

So I canceled, got a new radio and subscribed to Sirius. (I always thought it was the same????)

I constantly get email and regular mail from XM, even though I have told them repeatedly that I am subscribed.

Also, when we got the new service, a couple of days later, a radio adapter showed up in the mail.....that I obviously didn't need. It took forever for them to send me a shipping label...but we got several calls to return it..

And for the few channels I listen too, it doesn't seem worth it...until I take a trip..!
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I have both services; XM in 3 cars, and Sirius weather and music in my boat. After dealing with their customer service for years (on both) it wouldn't take much competition to run them out of business. They are the worst I've ever seen ! I've been trying for about 3 years for them to send me a paper contract for all of my subscriptions. They always say that they will...but I've yet to receive one. I do a 6 mo. on, and 6 mo. off, on my weather service and every time I've contacted them, they haven't taken that into account when I asked when my subscription ended. After I give them my on, off dates, they come around. It's extremely unsettling to deal with them, and they don't deserve our business. I certainly look forward to another option.
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Given that Sirius and XM haven't figured out they are one company after several years now, their biggest enemy is themselves. They confuse their potential customers and even their current customers. Their costs are probably close to double what they ought to be.

Dumbest approach to merger I've seen in quite awhile.

They need a new CEO with a brain and a little leadership.
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It's not just boats that need satellite radio, what about cars/trucks? I have XM in all of my cars, trucks and boats. I can't see being able to access wifi constantly while cruising down 95, can you? Not to mention rural areas.

Sirius/XM has the band width to transmit, I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon...
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Have xm audio activated on all cars and boats plus xm weather on big boat. customer service is definitely inconsistent, sometimes shortchanging themselves and sometimes the customer.

I was doubtful about their products until I used them for awhile. Commercial free entertainment these days is like gold and xm weather makes it easy to avoid bad storm cells on the water.
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Have it in both cars and like it - as long as I can get it for the $90/yr/each I've been paying I'll stay with them. No way worth retail of $150. I just wish they'd price it right from the get-go and not make me have to play games to get my deal every year.

IMHO their horrible customer service will be what brings them down; by far the worst I've ever dealt with.

I also don't appreciate them replacing XM/S channels with simulcasts of FM stations. I believe one of the XM/S country channels (The Highway?) was removed for FM out of Nashville. I paid for commercial and stupid-chit-chat free radio.
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Garmin has GDL40 that delivers weather over the cell system.
Posted a question on THT a few days ago, but no one seems to have used the service nor weather cell phone weather APS, as I got ZERO responses regarding questions.
Downside of cell weather from garmin looked like delay in providing radar overlays. 15 minutes.
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Originally Posted by lazydawg View Post
Garmin has GDL40 that delivers weather over the cell system.
Posted a question on THT a few days ago, but no one seems to have used the service nor weather cell phone weather APS, as I got ZERO responses regarding questions.
Downside of cell weather from garmin looked like delay in providing radar overlays. 15 minutes.
That does not work more than a few miles off shore.
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Have it in both cars and like it - as long as I can get it for the $90/yr/each I've been paying I'll stay with them. No way worth retail of $150. I just wish they'd price it right from the get-go and not make me have to play games to get my deal every year.

IMHO their horrible customer service will be what brings them down; by far the worst I've ever dealt with.

I also don't appreciate them replacing XM/S channels with simulcasts of FM stations. I believe one of the XM/S country channels (The Highway?) was removed for FM out of Nashville. I paid for commercial and stupid-chit-chat free radio.
On XM and Sirius the Highway is still there 59 I think. The Nashville Station is on XM 2 channels down. I have had it in both cars for years putting in boat now, Worth it, good talk, news, tons of music, sports.
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It's not just boats that need satellite radio, what about cars/trucks? I have XM in all of my cars, trucks and boats. I can't see being able to access wifi constantly while cruising down 95, can you? Not to mention rural areas.

Sirius/XM has the band width to transmit, I don't see them going anywhere anytime soon...
I believe in the future it will be dual mode..so the cell network would take care of I-95...as long as the reciever in the car has a little cache it would even take care of dead cell spots...you can already do this by syncing your I-Phone to Pandora and plugging it into your USB port on your car reciever (if equipped with proper software etc....)

I think that will be the future for cars and trucks...not so good 25 miles offshore....what we need is cheap satellite internet access...then we could use our I-Pads for weather updates.
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XM/Sirius does have tha capability to stream...actually less then $10/month. They are selling content, not the method of delivery. DirectTv is starting to deliver content via the web as well.

All that being said management at Sirius/XM seem to be doing everything they can to screw the company up. I ended up canceling my weather subscription because they could not figure out how to put it on seasonal hold. Cancelled the wife's because they could not figure out how to add it to my account. I can't imagine a company that can't figure out how to take a consumers money will survive.
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I hope they stay around for a little while.
I just bought an HDS7 and the Sirius weather antenna.

Got the Sirius antenna for $99 and will get a $99 rebate after 3 months of service. So I plan to get a six month subscription as soon as I get it all installed.
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There was talk of them carrying some T.V signals as well. That would be great for the boat! Won't hold my breath as the co. really is the pits.
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I ended up dropping everything last fall (three radios plus wx on the boat) when they pizzed me off while trying to suspend the wx for the winter.

Maybe I'll renew the basic wx (was master mariner but too much crap in there to be worth the money), and maybe I won't.

If they can't get customer service working it won't matter if they are there or not. I won't be using them.
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I have the XM Aviator service in a plane. Its invaluable. If I were still offshore fishing in the SE US, I'd have it on the boat as well. I think these guys are just figuring out they have a valuable commodity and its not the radio but the ability to deliver data to anywhere.
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The XM Aviation Weather componet brings in a lot of users. All the Garmin aviation units integrate XM weather into them. Garmin makes a killing in the aviation side. They have a great touch pad that was just released. Garmin just got into the helo side of aviation in the last six months. I would look for a lot of this technology to migrate into the marine side in short order.

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Garmin isn't the problem. Technology isn't the problem It wasn't even the money, though it was getting ridiculous at $12 a month for radio.

The problem is XM/Sirius is too hard to do business with.
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I agree that the garmins of the world will integrate internet access if it becomes available... but we all have I-pads anyway, and I-phones. They wouldn't be able to charge much for that functionality.

I forgot about the aviation side of the business....maybe between the aviation side and the boating side there is enoguh ther ewithour the music side...
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Keep in mind they probably have millions of music subscribers and only thousands of marine and aviation subscribers.

There will probably never be enough money from non-military marine and aviation sales to sustain a satellite network. They would have to add phone or two way data support, and they don't have any uplink capabilities currently in their devices. They might be able to sublet some of their bandwidth to other users, but it won't sustain them.

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