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CHIRP- How Disappointing

Old 02-22-2012, 11:46 AM
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Last year Garmin and Simrad introduced their CHIRP technology at the Miami boat show. This year Raymarine brought out a CHIRP unit. All Furuno could do is bring out a touch screen display? No CHIRP for the leader in sonar? Do they think this isnt worth their time? Could they really be more than a year behind in developement compared to the others? I just dont get it!
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I think yes. They are clearly at least a year behind in R&D.
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Sometimes being last isn't such a bad thing. Let your competitors play their hand and afterwards you deliver a superior product? That's the way it is in the electronics industry so it probably works the same in the marine world.
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I've felt the same way but its my understanding all the CHIRP technology is pretty much the same but its the way the units display the information and ease of use. I suspect all serious fisherman will eventually have CHIRP units on their boats. I'm holding off for a year to see if the prices fall.

I'd really like to see what Furuno brings to the table.
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Pretty funny that chirp has been in use for decades. The technology to get it into our boats is more in materials and processor power.
Simrad has the capital. Garmin probably as well.

Was ray bankrupt or near bankrupt a few years ago? Thought I read in the news the Brits at raymarine were having trouble and had already cut r and d and customer service way back. Apparently they weathered the storm but are behind now. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yes CHIRP has been around but you could get a hernia working with it.





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Yep. It isn't new technology though. What's new is the quality of materials needed to put the power into the water and process what's coming back more quickly. Sort of how spectra braid isn't new, but the new weaves formats allowing superior products are....

Point is that chirp nor spectra fishing line didn't just fall out of the sky suddenly.
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i agree that yes, furuno builds the best quality product. i also agree that furuno has fallen behind. time will tell if they can catch up...
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Actually Furuno beens working on this for a long time. From what I found out at least 7 years in the making. Waiting for their product because you know it will be quality. Only problem is usually there's no clue on what and when they are coming out with.
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Pretty funny that chirp has been in use for decades. The technology to get it into our boats is more in materials and processor power.
Simrad has the capital. Garmin probably as well.

Was ray bankrupt or near bankrupt a few years ago? Thought I read in the news the Brits at raymarine were having trouble and had already cut r and d and customer service way back. Apparently they weathered the storm but are behind now. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
When Flir bought Raymarine they sunk a ton of money into R & D. Hence, the development of the complete new line up of electronics and the chirp module. They actually had a chirp module ready earlier, but did not release it to wait for the cp450c.
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On another thread people pointed out that Furuno was 3 years too late with their touchscreen, and they were right.
However, everybody agrees that the Furuno touchscreen interface is the best of the lot.
So my worthless opinion is this: Furuno has great marine electronics products already in the market that are selling well. Why rush with the "new" stuff when, as others have said, you can take your time, let the dust settle, do a little more testing, get some user input from other brand products, and bring a more capable/robust product to the market (at a premium price!).
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They sure don't price like they're 3 years behind.
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I had Furuno on my first two offhsore boats. The last two have had Northstar on them when I bought them. Who knows, maybe Furuno is the better brand for constant every day commercial use. However, I can say that IMO my Northstar units have worked just as good and are MUCH more user friendly than the Furuno. So far, they have not given me any trouble either. I am so comfortable with them that when the time is right, I have alreday decided on the new Simrad Chirp products as replacements.
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I have been on too many furuno navnet equipped boats to ever have any confidence in whatever chirp processors they finally come out with because 3 times, on three separate boats, a furuno sounder has mysteriously crapped the bed during the trip. Have been on a raymarine equipped boat where the gps crapped out mysteriously as well.
This sort of stuff just doesn't happen on the nss and nse units from simrad even though they just came on.
Simrad ns- line stands for north star, btw.

To each his own, but I feel like simrad has the others beat badly right now with ease of use, technology, performance, AND price.

Hope furuno and ray catch up, because lack of competition will suck for us in the long run.
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maybe there are problems getting chirp to work well when being used from a boat bouncing around on the sea. i can see some possible technical issues that would let it work great in perfect conditions but be poor as conditions deteriorated.

maybe furuno are as ready as the other brands but wont bring it to market till they are happy with its performance. they have a loyal commercial following that they respect.
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Originally Posted by puppy View Post
they have a loyal commercial following that they respect.
Furuno's major market is commercial.

You have not had fun till you have used a few of their commercial units.


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http://www.furunousa.com/products/pr...nars+%3a+WASSP

http://www.furunousa.com/products/pr...a+Fish+Finders
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
Furuno's major market is commercial.

You have not had fun till you have used a few of their commercial units.


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http://www.furunousa.com/products/pr...nars+%3a+WASSP

http://www.furunousa.com/products/pr...a+Fish+Finders
Capt is that the wassp system? or the FLS?

I've been looking into that and it seems like a reasonable priced multi beam system.
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The display is the WAASP
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you're right about furuno's focus being commercial. they have some amazing technology, it just costs a buttload of money. also, while its never great to be behind the market with new consumer tech, some people act like no one ever caught a fish before the newest technology came out. chirp and structure scan.... they are all nice technologies but there are seriously diminishing returns as you add money to your system.
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Originally Posted by phin View Post
I have been on too many furuno navnet equipped boats to ever have any confidence in whatever chirp processors they finally come out with because 3 times, on three separate boats, a furuno sounder has mysteriously crapped the bed during the trip.
This sort of stuff just doesn't happen on the nss and nse units from simrad even though they just came on.
You do realize that Furuno doesn't make the transducers right? Airmar makes them.

I am very familiar with a handful of Simrad NSE units that have had problems. I also have experience with Simrad customer service which is consistently terrible and won't buy the units because of that even though I like the looks of the NSE units.

Contrary to popular opinion, there are many of us out here very happy with the performance and quality of Furuno bottom machines and don't see the need for Chirp. I am one of those.

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