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Old 02-16-2012, 07:55 PM
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I have a 4212 with a gsd 22, its terrible. I feel garmin ripped off all its customers with the gsd22. I had it paired with a b164 ducer which now no longer works at all, after speaking with airmar they said there was prob not enough juice to it so it burned it up. Anyway that experience cost me over a grand. So now im redoing my rig and i neef a new sounder its between the gsd 24 and furuno 585. Gotta tell ya im leaning towards the 585 but have heard some good reviews of the new 24. Any real users out there?
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Old 02-16-2012, 08:07 PM
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You cannot go wrong with either choice.
I have been a Furuno & Garmin dealer for almost 40 years and this is the first Garmin sonar (GSD-24) that really impressed me.
And I love the FCV585 and the DFF1.
But the GSD-24 is a nice unit .
And being that it is half the cost of the FCV585..and you already have the 4212..a good option.

Either way..with the new GSD-24 or the Furuno FCV585.. these are both great sonar units.


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I have a 585 with a TM260. Having a dedicated fish finder with a large vertical screen like the 585 is the best if you are a serious fisherman. I've used Garmin, Lowrance HDS, and now Furuno. I can tell you that the power and accuracy of Furuno is the best. It's the only one that I feel has given me accurate readings in deep saltwater.

The power to adjust the 585 along with the manual gain button is your best friend. At any depth below 600 ft, I would choose a proven Furuno 585 setup any day.

Furuno's customer service is A+ too. I recently noticed some bubbles appearing on my 585 LCD and called them up. They said just send it in and they will take care of it since it is under warranty. I sent it last week, they got it mid-week, and they said that it is already on its way back to me as of early this week.

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Where are you fishing and how deep? I just made the same decision on my boat which is used in the Bahamas and we don't start bottom fishing until we're 300' deep on down to 1200' or as the Bahamians would say "going down to the devil". I really want a Chirp unit but decided to buy a GSD 24. I decided to give the Chirp units another year or two to mature and then I'll move the GSD 24 to another boat.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the GSD 24, but pair it up with the right transducer. In my case I bought the TM 260. Semperfi will help you make the right selection for your boat and type of fishing.
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
You cannot go wrong with either choice.
I have been a Furuno & Garmin dealer for almost 40 years and this is the first Garmin sonar (GSD-24) that really impressed me.
And I love the FCV585 and the DFF1.
But the GSD-24 is a nice unit .
And being that it is half the cost of the FCV585..and you already have the 4212..a good option.

But I love the FCV585.


Link to GSD-24 shots..
http://www.thehulltruth.com/marine-e...reenshots.html
As I didn't like the Garmin sounders I went with the FCV 585 and the B260. I too have the 4212 and was wondering how hard it would be to add a GSD-24 as a backup and use the same transducer ?
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I'm done with Garmin sounders. Furuno for sure.
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Originally Posted by Ken T View Post
As I didn't like the Garmin sounders I went with the FCV 585 and the B260. I too have the 4212 and was wondering how hard it would be to add a GSD-24 as a backup and use the same transducer ?
If you go with the GSD24..and a great sounder by the way....you can use the B260 for both units by adding an SB260 switch box.

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Originally Posted by Ironworker View Post
Where are you fishing and how deep? I just made the same decision on my boat which is used in the Bahamas and we don't start bottom fishing until we're 300' deep on down to 1200' or as the Bahamians would say "going down to the devil". I really want a Chirp unit but decided to buy a GSD 24. I decided to give the Chirp units another year or two to mature and then I'll move the GSD 24 to another boat.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with the GSD 24, but pair it up with the right transducer. In my case I bought the TM 260. Semperfi will help you make the right selection for your boat and type of fishing.
Did you already try your GSD24+TM260 setup for 700-1200 feet? I am interested to see if you can actually see fish marks and a good bottom at those depths.

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Originally Posted by bob@aerospire.com View Post
Did you already try your GSD24+TM260 setup for 700-1200 feet? I am interested to see if you can actually see fish marks and a good bottom at those depths.

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Bob,

Yes, but I didn't have my unit installed properly. I set it on Auto gain but I didn't realize that in Garmin speak, Auto means Auto-high, Auto-med, and Auto-Low. The GSD 24 defaults to the Auto-med so it was only putting out 600W.

Set at 600W the 200 hz worked fine but I couldn't get the 50 hz side to read properly. Now that I know it needs to be Auto-high (you have to go into a sub menu to find this little jewel), I think I'll be pleased with the unit.

I read another post here on BT that they are setting the 200 hz side to auto then manually dialing up the gain on the 50 hz side to match the 200 hz side.

I suspect this is a software issue and will be resolved soon. I'm heading back to the Bahamas in a week or so and I'll play with the unit some more. The weather has not cooperated and I've been short handed on the boat for the couple of days that I have fished.

Like any new piece of equipment, I need to spend some time in deep water just playing with the unit and drinking a few Kaliks.
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I will prob go with the furuno, dont think im ready to gamble on garmin after my last deal. The furuno is proven and everyone loves it. Think im gonna pair it up with a b260, i fish all over the place but a lot of deep water fishing. Use the garmin for gps beside it the furuno. Is furuno have any plans to replace the 585 with a newer unit? I hate to buy stuff then they release a new better unit for almost the same buck.
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Originally Posted by coastalfiberglass View Post
Use the garmin for gps beside it the furuno. Is furuno have any plans to replace the 585 with a newer unit? I hate to buy stuff then they release a new better unit for almost the same buck.
The FCV585 is not being replaced...still good to go.

And the B260 can be ordered in a way to later use it for the GSD-24 if you choose

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Old 02-17-2012, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by coastalfiberglass View Post
I have a 4212 with a gsd 22, its terrible. I feel garmin ripped off all its customers with the gsd22. I had it paired with a b164 ducer which now no longer works at all, after speaking with airmar they said there was prob not enough juice to it so it burned it up.
I had a similar experience with a gsd22 and b164. depthfinder went intermittent then quit altogether. wonder if the 22 didn't underpower the 164 and it burn up too. I wonder if there's a way to tell for sure.
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Originally Posted by coastalfiberglass View Post
I have a 4212 with a gsd 22, its terrible. I feel garmin ripped off all its customers with the gsd22. I had it paired with a b164 ducer which now no longer works at all, after speaking with airmar they said there was prob not enough juice to it so it burned it up. Anyway that experience cost me over a grand. So now im redoing my rig and i neef a new sounder its between the gsd 24 and furuno 585. Gotta tell ya im leaning towards the 585 but have heard some good reviews of the new 24. Any real users out there?
Yea, they really "ripped me off" with it. I had the GSD22 and a B164 ducer which worked awesom on my boat. Never had any issues with it, especially after a few years ago when they released some software updates for the GSD22 which made it work as good as any sounder I had seen back then. Got the pictures to prove it.

I just upgraded to the GSD24, and sold my GSD22 for $250. So my total cost was about $300 for 4 years of use. Yep, RIPOFF!!

Haven't tried the GSD24 yet, will let you now how she works on April 6th. 49 days, but who is counting??
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Birdie....we have been through this many times. You are the only person on the planet that thinks the gsd22 was worth a chit.....facts are it sucked and burned up my 800 ducer per the words of airmar. Maybe you got the one good one off the line, but myself and everyone else thought it blew. garmin ripped every person that had a gsd 22.
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I've got a GSD 22 on another boat with a B60. Its a great unit to about 250'. I think it would be pretty damn good with a better transducer. Now is it good for the type of deep dropping that I'm doing in 800' with the B60, no.
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A possible new FCV-585 model was mentioned in a post yesterday.

http://www.thehulltruth.com/4371059-post3.html
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I found the source to this info at the Furuno USA forum posted by one of the moderators.


Next Generation FCV585

Hi npet -

Thank you for being a proud owner of the FCV585 and for your question. I will answer your question the best that I can, but it will be vague in nature, because we keep our product development confidential.

In general, our R&D begins working on new products and new features immediately after the release of a product. We take into account feedback that we receive from our dealer network and customers around the world. So you can feel confident that the next generation of the FCV585 is in the development stages, however I do not have any specific information or time frame for release at this time. Your best bet is to come back to this forum and check under the Furuno News section or under the Company section of our web site. In the mean time, if you have any specific feature requests for the next generation, this is a great place to post your ideas.

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I found the source to this info at the Furuno USA forum posted by one of the moderators.


Next Generation FCV585

Hi npet -

Thank you for being a proud owner of the FCV585 and for your question. I will answer your question the best that I can, but it will be vague in nature, because we keep our product development confidential.

In general, our R&D begins working on new products and new features immediately after the release of a product. We take into account feedback that we receive from our dealer network and customers around the world. So you can feel confident that the next generation of the FCV585 is in the development stages, however I do not have any specific information or time frame for release at this time. Your best bet is to come back to this forum and check under the Furuno News section or under the Company section of our web site. In the mean time, if you have any specific feature requests for the next generation, this is a great place to post your ideas.

Tight lines!
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Furuno has been saying this about the FCV 585 and the FCV620 for several years now....

I 'm happy with anything Furuno does...but it would be fun to see a new model.
Hey Furuno.....hint, hint!
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As long as their current units sells so well Furuno has probably limited incitement to introduce new models.

FCV-585 and 620 would benefit of getting brighter screens, FCV-620 in my opinion also needs improved screen resolution. Except from this they both still do well more than 5 years after the introduction.
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Originally Posted by coastalfiberglass View Post
Birdie....we have been through this many times. You are the only person on the planet that thinks the gsd22 was worth a chit.....facts are it sucked and burned up my 800 ducer per the words of airmar. Maybe you got the one good one off the line, but myself and everyone else thought it blew. garmin ripped every person that had a gsd 22.
Yes, that is why I sold mine the very day I listed it. Because it sucks and burns up transducers. People are actually using the GSD22 to remove transducers, just turn it on and wait one hour, and the ducer is gone so you can now install a new ducer.

Thanks for all your help!!!
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