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Old 02-14-2012, 09:21 AM
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Default Garmin just announced a full line-up of Thermal and Low Light Cameras

They look pretty nice! https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=418

Might need to pony up for one of these on my boat just cause...

Here is a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkpPG...ature=youtu.be
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Old 02-14-2012, 03:53 PM
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WOW, really cool idea with the video tracking of a radar MARPA target!!! That is the shizzle!! Why does Garmin always have to think of this stuff????

Way too pricey though. Somebody needs to make a fixed mount thermal for $2k. It will happen, trust me!

Jim, since your already ponying up for one on your boat, why not pony up a bit more, and throw one in the box with the PLB your shipping to me today??
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by CME View Post
You were a good sport on this one...

I agree the tracking feature is awesome. Come on Flir.....
Always a good sport when it's the TRUTH.

I'd bet you ALL your money, FLIR releases something at close to $2k before anyone else! What surprises me is, they haven't already!! I thought for sure we'd have one already.

I feel so strongly about it, If I were making the decisions for either of these companies (or anyone other marine company for that matter!). I would immediately CAN any work being done on ANY radar system. And focus ALL attention and resources on making a simple, fixed mount FLIR for $2k. It would be similar to the KVH M1 Sat dome. Not the best unit out there, not the catch all, be all, but simple to install with one coax type wire delivering 12v's to the camera, and delivering the fixed forward looking video (RCA, svideo or VGA) back to the display of your choice for viewing. DONE!! You will sell as many units as there are boats larger than 20'.

I'll buy the first one!!
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:36 PM
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I'd buy the second one!!!
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Old 02-16-2012, 06:51 AM
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Bridman is 100% correct - someone (most likely FLIR) is going to come up with something for less, maybe not 2K in the very near future but I am thinking under 5K for the current technology in the 9 to 10K range.

Garmin is now adding an additional source of competition and now the price wars will kick in.
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Old 02-16-2012, 09:50 AM
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every boat above 20' is going to add a thermal camera when the price hits $2k? riiiiiight.....the nonsense just never stops...
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Originally Posted by chainsaw42 View Post
every boat above 20' is going to add a thermal camera when the price hits $2k? riiiiiight.....the nonsense just never stops...
no - only those who need it will spend 2K on it!!

When it comes down to $200 then maybe ever boat will have it!
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Originally Posted by chainsaw42 View Post
every boat above 20' is going to add a thermal camera when the price hits $2k? riiiiiight.....the nonsense just never stops...
I should correct the statement a bit. "Every boat 20' and above that has RADAR installed (or wants radar installed), will add a thermal camera when they are under $2k.".

And I stand by that statement. Why would you spend $2k on radar, when you could instead have a night vision camera? A very high percentage (in the 95% range I'm sure) of recreational boats with radar use the radar for short range navigation purposes only. By that I mean, to get home at night without running into another boat, bouy or jetty..

So if given a choice between about $2k for a radar dome, or $2k for a NIGHT VISION VIDEO source on your display. I assure you the choice will be night vision, not radar.
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i assure you that you, like usual, are completely wrong. radar is constantly scanning--sees for miles, 360 degrees at one time, multiple targets at the same time, can show speed and heading, overlays targets on your chart, and the broadband radars are excellent in close quarters. but i know, i know garmin garmin garmin, caps, exclamation points, blah blah blah
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Garmin? Has nothing to do with Garmin. Actually, I think FLIR, not Garmin will be the ones to do it. Although, after seeing this product above, who knows, maybe garmin will do it first. But I don't give a hoot who does it.

Wrong? Yea sure, I was also wrong when I said about 5 years ago there would be a small $2k dome for small boats to get Sat. TV inshore. Even KVH employee's told me it could not be done. Yep, I was dead wrong!! But don't go looking at my hardtop cause there is a 12" KVH M1 up there I paid $2,100 for. KVH reps told me "There would be no market for it". I wonder which dome they sell the most of now?

All that radar stuff is great. But again, given a choice of VIDEO or RADAR, I assure you most recreational guys will choose the video 10-1. That does not mean you can't also install radar. I like most, already have radar and would love to add FLIR. And 99 out of 100 times my radar use is typical radar use. That is, I'm looking for objects directly in front of me on my way home or on the way out at night. Given the choice of both, I would put the FLIR video on the display instead of the radar any day of the week.

So I'd bet you ALL your money, WHEN there is a FLIR out for about $2k, people will be buying that first, and a radar dome 2nd instead of the other way around.
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I love my radar - I would need both!
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Well dang birdman, if you got the line on everything, what's the next winning ticket for powerball?
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Originally Posted by bigfishhooker View Post
Well dang birdman, if you got the line on everything, what's the next winning ticket for powerball?
I heard it was 7, 13, 21, 35, 42 & 40. Go buy 500,000 tickets please!
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I have to agree with Birdman on this one, Once the price hits the 2K point, everyone who at some point in time looked at purchasing or owns a radar will be looking to pick up a Thermal. It just makes sense.
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Originally Posted by cayman_fisher View Post
I have to agree with Birdman on this one, Once the price hits the 2K point, everyone who at some point in time looked at purchasing or owns a radar will be looking to pick up a Thermal. It just makes sense.
I agree with Cayman and Birdman.

Remember the first big screen color GPS? It was the Northstar 962, with a price of almost $10k. You needed an actual CPU in your salon, and then ran the wires up to the display mounted at the helm. At $10k for a color 10"+ screen, it wasn't an option for smaller boats. Now how many boats, under 25ft have a color GPS with a 10" or larger screen?

Bottom line, if you never boat at night, you would never buy one. However if you boat at night, this will be a great tool, much like a radar and spotlight, for aiding navigation. Again, price needs to drop first.
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Sorry birdie, but if I can only have one it would still be radar. Flir won't help in fog or rain, it doesn't have a 360 degree view, and I don't think it is that great for all around navigation. It's use is a limited band of moving in near lighghtless conditions in clear weather.

It's a piece, not the whole. Radar is a bigger piece, so I choose radar first.
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Originally Posted by chainsaw42 View Post
i assure you that you, like usual, are completely wrong. radar is constantly scanning--sees for miles, 360 degrees at one time, multiple targets at the same time, can show speed and heading, overlays targets on your chart, and the broadband radars are excellent in close quarters. but i know, i know garmin garmin garmin, caps, exclamation points, blah blah blah

The guys that use their boats know this. The guys that are experts at the keyboard will buy what they want, regardless if it makes the most sense under actual boating conditions.
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Sorry birdie, but if I can only have one it would still be radar. Flir won't help in fog or rain, it doesn't have a 360 degree view, and I don't think it is that great for all around navigation. It's use is a limited band of moving in near lighghtless conditions in clear weather.

It's a piece, not the whole. Radar is a bigger piece, so I choose radar first.
That is absolutely correct. Radar is an important tool day or night, if you know how to use it, and its critical at night or in heavy fog.

If you just want to get home from the nightclub across the harbor late at night then, by all means, that FLIR alone will do the job just fine.
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And you guys still claim Loran is the way to go, right?

LOL!

No joke, do a search on here for the beginning of THT back in 2001. We had the EXACT same discussions on whether GPS would take over Loran. A large portion of posters said GPS will never take over Loran, all our #'s are in Loran, and the Guberment will never stop running Loran....".

For those that don't know, or aren't old enough to know, Loran is the pre-GPS navigation system which no longer exists!!

The mistake you guys are making is, your looking at FLIR at how it is available today. Much like the original GPS systems looked similar to Loran display, just a bunch of #'s (lat/long) on a display. It wasn't all that much different than Loran, it didn't have WAAS accuracy, and it didn't have a chart. Now it has under 10' accuracy, and you look at a chart, not #'s, and for the most part ALL boats have it now.

I can't predict how FLIR systems will look in a few years, but I can tell you with 100% certainty, it will be better and cheaper than it is today. And when it is around $2k, we will ALL have one. In addition, we will all likely wonder how we went boating at night, with out it!!

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Birdman is right. Anyone who leaves the dock before dawn will tell you the flir screen gets the most attention. Radar overlay on the plotter doesn't give you the same experience as seeing exactly whats in front of the boat. Piloting a boat at night at speed while relying on the radar in my opinion is dangerous. Flir fills in the blanks and there are alot of blanks you're not aware of when running on radar.
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