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Old 02-13-2012, 09:21 PM
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Hi,

This transducer is permanently glassed into the hull of my SL5 project cat never to be removed without serious destructive force. It seems it is a Furuno 525ST-MSD 50/200 kHz - Multi Sensor Thru-Hull Mount Transducer. F/6000-600L-582L-16 & 1850-6100 unit. Is it a good ducer? What would be a good fish-finder to use with it? I don't mind cutting off the end if it is compatible with a fishfinder of a different brand then connector. I actually have a Standard Horrizon Black Box FF520 I would like to use on this cat. Is it compatible?

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That is an Airmar B744V.
A 600 watt with a 45 / 12 degree cone.

Yours looks to be a 10 pin Furuno.
Can be used with any Furuno 600 or 1000 watt sonar.
FCV 620, FCV585 etc.

The connector can be replaced and you can also use it with a few other units.

http://www.airmartechnology.com/2009...id=39&manf=All





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Semperfi, do you have any experience with the EC7 combo units ?? any input would be appreciated.

Do you carry them ?

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that was supposed to be a PM, didn't mean to derail the thread
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Thanks for the quick response! Below is the description from Airmar. I did not see A standard horizon number listed there. Any Thoughts on using this with the FF520? I have one lying around I would like to put to use. This SL5 Project boat's targets will be Inshore striped Bass and Bluefin tuna out to about 300feet depths.

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These TRIDUCER® multisensors feature depth, speed, and temperature in a single housing–drill only one hole in the boat! The 50/200 kHz, dual-frequency, single ceramic element provides good target detail in shallow water at 200 kHz and good deep-water bottom tracking at 50 kHz. The B744VL’s extended stem-length has the extra height needed for steep-deadrise vessels or thick, cored hulls.

Manufacturer Part Numbers
Furuno—525STID-MSD W/FAIRING——Airmar 31-658-1-01
Garmin—010-10183-02——Airmar—31-665-2-01
Lowrance—021-0073-00——Airmar—31-666-1-01
Raymarine C/E Series—A66091——Airmar—31-669-1-01
Raymarine A Series—A66090——Airmar—31-668-2-01
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Semperfi, I really appreciate the help, just a few more questions. You mentioned FF250. FF250 is a really old Garmin Fish finder. I am taking about a Standard Horizon FF520. I think you know this and FF250 is just a typo. I would not question it but you mentioned FF250 twice.

If it turns out after speaking with Airmar that I cannot for whatever reason use the B744V ducer for the FF520, I have an extra P66 transom mount that i know is compatible with the FF520.

How would the P66 transom mount compare to the B744V? Maybe I am better off using the P66 for the FF520 and getting something else like a 585 for the B744L?

I heard once that you are not supposed to run 2 fishfinders at once on a boat because of interference problems, I never paid this much mind as I run a FF520 with a DST526 on the Mako as primary and a Garmin FF100 Blue with a P66 as backup all the time and I never noticed a spec of interference between the two. Both always seem spot on and the DST526 with the high speed faring will track bottom religiously while doing WOT figure 8s. Any thoughts on this and what combination of equipment / transducers to run on the project Cat hull. Somehow I would like to keep that B744V in the mix if at all possible because it is pretty well glassed in.

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I been doing a little of my own research trying to figure out what Airmar Model number is the DST526 and while I am not 100% sure I did fine one obscure marine electronics site that is calling it a B744V! Imagine that! I guess I will have to get airmar on the horn to confirm the wiring.
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Yes..I was talking about the FF520..just got the numbers wrong.

The Airmar P66 and the Airmar B744 have the same single element.
and the same sonar paramaters.
The B744 will be running in cleaner water and may have the edge .

The best way to run two sonars is of course to not run on the same freq. Run one at 50 k and the other at 200k.

As to model numbers..Airmar and Furuno use different numbers for the same exact transducer..etc.
That is why your tag reads both.

The rule of thumb with transducers is to give each unit as many different names as possible so as to assign a different price to each....lol


Same part..lots of different prices....lol

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Thanks again! Time for some Sleep. BTW I love your boat pic. For some reason I can stare at it for hours A old weather boat sitting in a field with no water in site and pretty substantial mountains in the background. You know the boat has been sitting there a god awful time because the tires have deteriorated to almost nothing but still somehow the wood of the boat still seems pretty solid. It almost seems like the boat was planted there for the shot but somehow I don't think it was. To top it all off the name of the boat is Nomad! Anyway, It's Just plain cool!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirls View Post
BTW I love your boat pic. For some reason I can stare at it for hours A old weather boat sitting in a field with no water in site and pretty substantial mountains in the background. You know the boat has been sitting there a god awful time because the tires have deteriorated to almost nothing but still somehow the wood of the boat still seems pretty solid. It almost seems like the boat was planted there for the shot but somehow I don't think it was. To top it all off the name of the boat is Nomad! Anyway, It's Just plain cool!!!!!!
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Story behind the old boat:
http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside...ure-photo.html
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Love the story, Love the pics. It seems like such an awesome place also. I think if I was going to be planted someplace for eternity that is where I would like to be

I build an 80 series Land Cruiser specifically for the Alaska Cruiser Trek because getting out there I mean really out there is something I always felt I need to do. I think I will put seeing that nomad in person on my bucket list. Hopefully she will still look just like the pic.

Thanks for Sharing!
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The Nomad is still there..everyone loves her..lots of photos taken over the years.











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Old 04-03-2012, 11:46 AM
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Gil, All,

I wanted to revive this thread for another question on the B744V. Is there any other transducer I could use that will fit directly into my existing high speed faring. This ducer and the fairing are working darn near perfect on my hull so I dont want to mess with perfection but I do want to gain more power. I say they are working perfect becase the install, shape and location of the tranducer/ high speed fairing allow me to read bottom and at 50+MPH. I must have a very clean water flow for that reading and that is why I dont want to disturb the fairing.

Any thoughts for a high power drop in? How about a high power Chirp Drop in?

Thanks,
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Old 04-03-2012, 01:01 PM
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John,
There are no other Airmar traditional tone puse transducers that fit into that fairing..just what you currently have.

If you went to a CHIRP system`then the B765 will retro into that fairing.
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Thanks Gil, unfortunatly that is what I was thinking also. What do you think is the best option for replacement then? Anything else that would provide the same hydro dynamics at the same location as the b744v high speed fairing. Also what about the hole in the boat? I personally installed that tranducer some time ago. At the time, I had actully purchases a more expensive transducer (I can't remember which one but the cost was about 800to1K) only to retun it when I reallized It had a pretty small diameter shaft and the old transducer I was pulling out left a good sized hole in the bottom of the boat.

Could you reccomend a tranducer that will give the same high speed performace and will also fill the hole even if I need to cut and install a new fairing?

Finally, I am 99% sure I will be going with a chirp system sometime this season. I wanted to wait to see what raymarine will bring to the table in the next few months. I am hoping for a 10-12" "Do everying" screen with build in Chirp. There has been hint of that coming here but nothing I saw confirmed.

Anyway, The boat is on blocks now. In the next 2 weeks it will launch for the season and I will no longer have a good oppourunity to install a tranducer without blocking it up again. Is there any even remote chance that if I bought and installed a Chirp tranducer now, it would function on the 50/200 bands with my existing equipment and I could be ready for that Raymarine chirp if/when it ever comes to market.

Yes I know this is asking alot.

Best,
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Ps. I would still like more power/elements/sensitivity than the B765 which is the most obvious replacement.
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Sorry, but is the 740S CHIRP compatible?
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Originally Posted by lnarngr View Post
is the 740S CHIRP compatible?



Do you tell him the bad news or do I?

Nope..sorry..not compatible.
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Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirls View Post



Anyway, The boat is on blocks now. In the next 2 weeks it will launch for the season and I will no longer have a good oppourunity to install a tranducer without blocking it up again. Is there any even remote chance that if I bought and installed a Chirp tranducer now, it would function on the 50/200 bands with my existing equipment and I could be ready for that Raymarine chirp if/when it ever comes to market.

Yes I know this is asking alot.

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Ps. I would still like more power/elements/sensitivity than the B765 which is the most obvious replacement.


If you are going to a CHIRP... the B765 is retro to the B744...same size. ...but I personally would use the M265.

The M265 has 750 times more roundtrip sensitivity than the M260.
And with CHIRP..the system really never even sees the hull...a CHIRP shoot thru the hull is a different ball game.
With CHIRP... I really think one of the go to transducers will be the M265.
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Gill, The thru hull has version of the same transducer has always out performed the In hull. The hull really does not matter any more? I also still have a hole to fill. I will chew on how I could mount the M265 and what would happen at 50+mph with the b744V left in place upstream.

Have you heard of any news on a 10-12" Raymarine being released with built in chirp?
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Originally Posted by BrownEyedGirls View Post

Have you heard of any news on a 10-12" Raymarine being released with built in chirp?
Best,
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I have not heard that but in the future I can imagine CHIRP being incorporated into many varied configurations.

"George Foreman Grill... now with built in CHIRP!"
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