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Old 02-11-2012, 01:16 PM
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Im trying to decide what electronics to go with garmine simrad lowrance i have a 26 grady white i fish out of morheadcity nc big rock area
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Old 02-11-2012, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gwsailfish25 View Post
Im trying to decide what electronics to go with garmine simrad lowrance i have a 26 grady white i fish out of morheadcity nc big rock area
Simrad is currently the most powerful system from the brands you listed.
Both Simrad and Lowrance have broadband radar, structure scans available. Garmin does not.
Also, the Simrad NSS is the easiest touchscreen to use, priced similar to Garmin and much faster redraw speed.
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I use both a Garmin 740 and Simrad NSS8. Both units have their strong points. Garmin by far is the easiest of the two use and has the faster of the displays but the NSS series is so much stronger when it comes to expandibility, embbed FF (NSS7/8 only). The embedded charts that come with each system are very good and you can upgrade. The Garmin 740 uses full touch screen functionalities while the NSS series uses a combo of butt and touch screen functionalites. There are no softkeys on the NSS series so you either use the rotary knob or touch to manipilate the screens menus. The 740 menus are easier to touch because they are larger and do not use drill down me menus.

Both units are good ...... Garmins new add FF GDS 24/26 are strong.

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I'm happy to see this thread, I'm going through the same process and working with one of the site sponsors for pricing but I don't like to keep bothering him with product performance questions. I held off installing the radar due to thoughts of upgrading to a larger boat again but recently changed my mind. The biggest difference I can see between the Garmin and Lowrance as far as pricing is concerned is that you need to add a heading sensor to the Broadband radar in order to overlay the charts and I don't think that is so with the Garmin HD but not certain.
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Old 02-11-2012, 04:13 PM
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I think it should be beneficial to add the new raymarine e series, since in a week they'll be right in the mix in this debate
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:31 AM
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I went with the NSE12 and the Garmin 4210, everything is networked together and works great,
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Last month I decided to upgrade my boat as well and the 2 units I narrowed it down to was the Garmin 740 and the Simrad NSS8. After hours of research I decided on the Simrad. Yesterday I had a chance to play with both at the NE boat show and am happy with my decision. I am a huge Garmin fan but comparing these 2 units the Simrad overall was much better. The touchscreen is awesome and super fast. The clarity of the charts to me was far better then the Garmin. If you get a chance go and play with both and see what you like better. That's the best way to decide.
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Yes, you will still need a heading sensot with Garmin. When I say "need", I don't mean you can't overlay radar without one, what I'm saying is that will be risky without a heading sensor.

Without a heading sensor, the Garmin will "approximate" your heading based on consecutive gps readings. It can and will be off by many degrees depending on wind and current. That can mean a real deviation between the overlayed radar return and what appears on the chart. It becomes noise you can't trust.

Either use a heading sensor or don't overlay. Just because some marketing puke decided it was a good idea doesn't make it true.

Right now, the edge goes to Simrad. IMHO anyway, and I own all Garmin.
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Old 02-12-2012, 07:04 AM
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going to the Miami boat show next weekend-Iam in the process of selecting electronics for a 35 ft. fishing boat. Furono is showing new models at the show-touch screen. I am focusing on Simrad, Garmin, Raymarine,and Furono.
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Hopefully, there will be lots of new toyz at the show. It will kill me cuz I'm passing through MIA on the 20th on my way south. I just can't squeeze in one more day to hit the show.

Everyone has been mum on anything new from garmin. They seem to be in between product releases at the moment. Maybe some aggressive pricing will help.
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Thank you Gerg for clarifying my heading sensor concern.
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Old 02-12-2012, 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by blackwater View Post
I went with the NSE12 and the Garmin 4210, everything is networked together and works great,
thinkin of upgradiing my 4208 to either nse12 or 6212, i currently have a 4212,ghp10 auto,gmr 18, gsd 22 with b164 and flir. i want a bigger screen and a better FF, so i would go 6212 and gsd 24 and stay all garmin or go nse 12 for FF. when you network the simrad with the garmin, what do you use each display for, i like having a network going back and forth. curious how you use this combo, i really like the nse. thanks for all input
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thinkin of upgradiing my 4208 to either nse12 or 6212, i currently have a 4212,ghp10 auto,gmr 18, gsd 22 with b164 and flir. i want a bigger screen and a better FF, so i would go 6212 and gsd 24 and stay all garmin or go nse 12 for FF. when you network the simrad with the garmin, what do you use each display for, i like having a network going back and forth. curious how you use this combo, i really like the nse. thanks for all input
The NSE12 doesn't have a built in ff. You will have to add a sounder module just like you do with Garmin. Your best choice there is the BSM-2, which is a CHIRP unit. They also have the BSM-1 which isn't CHIRP but is some kind of broadband design, but I haven't been able to find anyone to say much about it (good or bad).

I'm trying to make a similar decision. I am replacing an mfd so I can either go with Garmin again or switch to Simrad (and switch radar at the same time). I still have a 4212 as well as ap, radar, and a gsd-24. I may just add another 4212 and fugghhetaboutit. Either that or a 6212, but that is about $1200 more.

I get a very good discount on garmin through employee purchase, so I'll probably end up staying with them. But paying retail, the Simrad NSE12 will be cheaper than either the 6212 or 7212.
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I'm in the same "boat" at this point as well. I am looking to upgrade all my electronics and it's down to Simrad or Garmin. I haven't got the quotes back yet, but I'm seeing some peeps leaning to Simrad here, which is much the same as the sales guy that came out.

I personally lean a little towards Garmin...

We'll see when the $$ estimates get back.
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Old 02-12-2012, 12:30 PM
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One thing is for certain, the Garmin site is easier to navigate re the manuals and product information IMHO. I emailed Garmin requesting some product information and they got back to me almost immediately. The one time I contacted both Furuno and Simrad, neither one responded to me.
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I too am outfitting a new boat with electronics and just finished the process of choosing between the Garmin and Simrad. The boat is an Everglades 243cc. The electronics will be installed later this month.

I was considering a Garmin system built around a 5212 or a Simrad system built around an NSS12. I spent considerable time at the recent Atlantic City Boat Show studying both systems in detail. In the end I chose Simrad.

I made my choice for three primary reasons:

1) I found I was more comfortable using Simrad’s combination touch screen, rotary knob and buttons than I was using Garmin’s touch only screen. Especially as I thought operating the system while the boat is rocking. Try both systems to see which you might like most.

2) Simrad’s StructureScan is a killer. I knew the side scan feature showed structures (rubble, wrecks, mounds, etc.) extending off the to side of the boat in a 3D-like display. But I did not know that with a swipe of a finger, you could scroll the display backwards after you have passed the structure and then mark the boundaries of the structure on the sonar display by touching the screen. Those marks simultaneously appear as waypoints on the chart display, clearly marking off the area of structure so you can easily return to it and fish. This is a bit hard to explain but amazing to see. Check it out.

The Simrad rep indicated that realistically, StructureScan only works to depths of 100 ft. and at speeds up to 10 knots though the literature may be a bit more generous than this. I am also including Simrad’s BSM-2 Broadband CHIRP Sounder in the system to round out my fish finding capabilities. Garmin also offers a CHIRP sounder.

3) I am going to give the boat a try without radar at this time. If I were to use radar on this boat it would be primarily for nighttime navigation on the ICW and out in front. I would not use it for bird location or storm tracking, as I will not be running this boat far offshore and I will have Sirius weather. However, if I do decide I want to add radar, Simrad’s 3G or 4G broadband radars are the ticket for my needs. Their close-in target separation capabilities are superior to pulse radar and their low power consumption and low radiation output make them ideal for my boat.

Other considerations:

1) I like Simrad’s Sonic Hub, which integrates all audio control into the NSS12 (Sirius radio, AM/FM, iPod/iPhone). I have limited dash space on this boat for an audio head unit. Garmin currently does not offer this.

2) I like the ability to use Navionics Platinum Plus charts with the Simrad NSS12. I use Platinum Plus charts on my other boats and am very accustomed to them. Garmin does not offer this.

3) I like that Garmin has modestly priced VHF’s that integrate easily into its NMEA 2000 network. Simrad does not. However, the Simrad rep gave me a great tip. He suggested I go with a Standard Horizon GX2150 Matrix AIS+ VHF with a NMEA 0183 interface to the NSS12. AIS targets received by the VHF will appear on the NSS12 chart display. I don’t need an AIS transmitter on this boat and with the Standard Horizon I can get a VHF and AIS receiver for a great price. I have always been an ICOM guy but will be making the switch for this boat.

For 20 years I have been a Furuno or Raymarine guy. But at this time, on a boat this size and with the way I will use it, Garmin and Simrad have better offerings. In the end I am going with Simrad.
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Simrads good but the customer service is behind the others as far as turnaround etc. Also the screens have issues with delaminating. Yes experience on units less than a year. With that being said doing a great job with new units and functions, sonichub etc. Also always one of the best ap. At this point hard to really say ones better than another more just preference.
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I am also including Simrad’s BSM-2 Broadband CHIRP Sounder in the system to round out my fish finding capabilities. Garmin also offers a CHIRP sounder.



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What CHIRP transducer are you going with?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Ross View Post
One thing is for certain, the Garmin site is easier to navigate re the manuals and product information IMHO. I emailed Garmin requesting some product information and they got back to me almost immediately. The one time I contacted both Furuno and Simrad, neither one responded to me.
I have been frequenting the Simrad site downloading manuals for products I was considering. No problem whatsoever finding what I was looking for.

I just pulled the trigger on an NSS8 and Simrad autopilot system. While doing my research I contacted Simrad twice - 1 email and 1 phone call. Both times the response was very quick and efficient.

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I am visiting the Everglades factory this week on Thursday and will see if we can fit a B175H and B175L in there (though I understand from Airmar that the B175L will not be available until later this month). If there is not room, I will go with the B75H and B75L.
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