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Old 10-12-2011, 03:07 PM
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Hi guys, I was looking at another thread where one of our members just had all his garmin equip stolen. I was thinking why the major manufactures could not implement a password of the owners choosing. Kind of like some OEM car radios have. The set up would have to be different, but I could see where you have all your equipment networked you would only have to put your password into one unit, that would unlock all the others. They could even set it up so you might only have to input the password once in a 24 hour time frame, so when you cut the power or turn off the master within 24 hours it would still work, so as not to disrupt a normal day of boating. I can see some problems such as owners forgetting passwords, I could also see the major manufactures having another way to make more money if they were the only people that could ever unlock the units, if someone honestly forgot their code and did not have a copy of it safely stored, they they pay the manufactures a good price to unlock it, If a thief could not prove it is his unit, then no unlock. What other problems can you see with this idea? I know in an ideal world taking your equip out every time is probably the safest way, but allot of guys have flush mounted units that does not allow this. I would think if the thieves could never unlock this equipment, they would never steal it in the first place as there would be no market. I think the only way this would work if all the majors agreed to the same thing. This might be wishful thinking.
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they would still steal it even if they just threw it away.
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If the manufacturers did it the criminals would figure out how to take it off. Best bet is cover them and have insurance.
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Another way would be to use a thingy like Segway does. Without the fob, the Segway is useless.

Then again, people steal stuff just for fun and tear up the boat in the process.
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How many thieves are going to research what units they can sell?

I don't see "Sticky Fingers Nicky" checking the internet to see if he can sell a Garmin Chartplotter before he rips it out of somebody's boat.

Sucks to be ripped off, but remove it/insure it seems the best alternative.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:49 AM
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How many thieves are going to research what units they can sell?

I don't see "Sticky Fingers Nicky" checking the internet to see if he can sell a Garmin Chartplotter before he rips it out of somebody's boat.

Sucks to be ripped off, but remove it/insure it seems the best alternative.
true, but buyers might know it, it might take a while, but the word would get out that these items are useless
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:54 PM
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Wishful thinking.

There are three kinds of boat electronics thieves:
1. Kids; not a clue about what they are taking, but will tend to go for boats that are outside the lighted areas; they make a mess and skip right over more valuable stuff to get name brands they recognize. They would rather find booze and money.
2. Other boaters; they don't steal from their own marina, but go for something they want. They may forget to get the power and data cables on the first try, and they might come back.
3. Pros; they have a list of items that sell well, or that someone in the system wants. They are neat, quick, and know to get everything from the 'ducer to the antenna. this category occasionally includes a down and out boatyard worker.

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Old 10-14-2011, 06:26 AM
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When I start my Garmin plotter, I already have to agree that I will not use it for navigation and Garmin will not be responsible if I go aground or get lost while using it. I don't want to have to enter a password.

The best way to reduce electronic thefts from boats is for the rest of us to not buy stolen items. If someone is selling a $2K plotter for $200 and it's missing the antenna and power cord, do you think it's a great deal or do you think it's been stolen from someone? If you buy it, you are part of the problem.
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Old 10-14-2011, 01:25 PM
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Get real. Like waving the red cape to a bull. Becomes an easy game for them.

Maybe a removable panel with marinized automotive type quick disconnects? Pull the panel and store it locked onboard or bring it home.

Or I could sit onboard with my GSD and .45 ACP....
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If anyone has (or "can get") a Garmin 7215 for $200, PM me, I'm interested!!!
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Any cop will tell you, the best deterrent is, VIDEO surveillance.
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Video is great but often after-the-fact and often just doesn't offer a means to find the thugs with the best of images. The best defense is to offer what the thugs despise, noise and lights.

I had a friend with a house in a remote location that was broken into so often his insurance company would no longer insure contents. He had every alarm system known to man to stop the thieves but nothing worked. He finally found a company that said protection was all about light and sound. They installed a big a$$ siren and lighting alarm system, so loud no one could stand to be there when it went off.

They broke in one last time, apparently had a mr coffee in their hands when the alarm went off. The mr coffee maker was thrown to the floor and a microwave by the door was gone. Last time I talked to him, he had been 3 years without another break-in.

For the life of me though, I don't understand why the manufacturers can't install a owner based, password protected tracking mechanism for these chartplotters?? Seems like it would be so, so easy to do. Once that was done and became an industry standard, theft of them would eventually go to zero.
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the manufactures GAIN when a unit is stolen...........someone that did not want to spend top dollar for a new one gets a great deal, and you go purchase a new one. All the mfgs care about is moving equipment, and they get to move another one when yours gets stolen. dont expect any help from them.
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Originally Posted by slayride View Post
the manufactures GAIN when a unit is stolen...........someone that did not want to spend top dollar for a new one gets a great deal, and you go purchase a new one. All the mfgs care about is moving equipment, and they get to move another one when yours gets stolen. dont expect any help from them.
No, they do not gain when equipment is stolen, at least not to the point where they leave security features out on purpose.

If consumers asked for password protected plotters, etc., companies would include this in their products. I don't believe there is a large consumer demand for password protected chart plotters. As I said above, I just want to turn it on and use it without any additional hassles.
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Video surveillance will provide you with a video of a couple thugs wearing hoodies as they cart your valuables away. Only the dumbest of thieves will have their faces exposed and even with a clear shot of a thief's face, it's not like your video will make the five o'clock news.

If the police catch them, it's evidence. That's about it.

There are several ways to try to protect your valuables, but in the end, none are 100% foolproof and some make it so inconvenient to use your boat that you end up leaving it parked and not using it. That's why there's insurance.

BTW: Booby traps like razor blades or electric shocking devices will come back to bite you in the end. Either you'll get cut or shocked or a marina or shop employee will.
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Mine are Locked, Alarmed, and Welded.


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The dirty little secret that manufacturers won't say out loud is that theft is good for business. It spurs sales of newer replacement products for what was stolen. The old stuff will find a home, but it won't displace someone buying something new - two different markets.

They have no incentive to make something theft proof as long as no other manufacturer or some large customer base forces them to. That's why blackberries and other smartphones can be bricked; it's a corporate customer requirement and every mfg provides the feature.

The only other time they will enforce digital locks is when it is in their interest to do so. They could easily do it across the board. Any device with a microprocessor can be "bricked" during an update if the the internal s/n is on a watch list.

It's not going to happen.

You see, criminals are actually good for business. Thank one the next time you see them, they may have saved your job.
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I had a few personal alarms screwed down and attached fishing line to the pull pin and the item I didnt want stolen. If the item was pulled the pin was pulled I was alerted and could make it out to the boat in my fuzzy slippers and spiderman jammies. I also had one attached to the cover I had on the boat, if the cover was pulled off the alarm sounded. I suppose you could attach these things to doors and even the trailer if you wanted to. This will only work if someone is around to hear it. Having one of these go off in the middle of the nite would stop anyone.


http://www.tbotech.com/personal-alarms.htm
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The dirty little secret that manufacturers won't say out loud is that theft is good for business. It spurs sales of newer replacement products for what was stolen. The old stuff will find a home, but it won't displace someone buying something new - two different markets.

They have no incentive to make something theft proof as long as no other manufacturer or some large customer base forces them to. That's why blackberries and other smartphones can be bricked; it's a corporate customer requirement and every mfg provides the feature.

The only other time they will enforce digital locks is when it is in their interest to do so. They could easily do it across the board. Any device with a microprocessor can be "bricked" during an update if the the internal s/n is on a watch list.

It's not going to happen.

You see, criminals are actually good for business. Thank one the next time you see them, they may have saved your job.
This reminds me of shutting the epa down because its good for buisness. Cancer centers around the country would have to be built to keep up with demand. Construction, new doctors, nurses, aids good for buisness all around.
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Originally Posted by gerg View Post
The dirty little secret that manufacturers won't say out loud is that theft is good for business. .........
Come on now, I've read your other posts, you're smarter than that!
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