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B60 or B164 for "shallow" depths

Old 10-12-2011, 12:14 PM
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I am planning on Purchasing the new Raymarine E7D (or the larger screen if its announced) when its released and want feedback on the transducer. The b60 or b164 are my choices for the through hull installation. I trailer the boat occasionally so these seem like the best options.
The most important factor is I fish the long island sound where depths rarely reach 100ft. I fish 10-30 more often than not for blackfish and the 40-80 for stripers. I know the b164 is much more sensitive but is has a very narrow cone. Given the fact that the b60 has a 45 degree cone as compared to the 22 degree cone of the b164 wouldnt the b60 be a better choice for the conditions?

Not to mention the there is a huge price difference.

Still considering a separate Furuno 620 and then just going with the Raymarine E7 NAV unit. Regardless the true question is about which transducer.

Thanks for your input on any above topics.
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Old 10-12-2011, 01:10 PM
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The increased sensitivity of the B164 will be very noticeable on the screen, but you will be seeing a much smaller chunk of water under the boat. For the fishing you describe I think you'll be bet of with the B60.
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Don't they make a wide beam Hi def unit Jim?


arich,
I fish similar depths often on the south shore, using the B164. I find it is just fine, I actually prefer the narrow beam so I know exactly what is under my boat, not what is off to the sides and averaged.... A preference thing.

Having said that, when I want to find bait and need a wider beam, I switch over to the 50k Freq. which is much wider than the 200k freq on the B164. I then see much more around me, aka easier to find bait in the water. good luck!
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It all comes down to how much quality one wants and if the price worth the upgrade.

If you never intend to fish outside the 100' depth range the B60 will work just fine.

If you want more detail and higher cruising speed while still marking targets..and the ability for deeper fishing if you choose to...then the B164 with its three elements is the better unit.
But at a higher cost.

The problem I have seen over the years is we fisherman wait until very last to choose the transducer..and often by then the finances are limited.

If the price were the same then most of us might choose the B164 over the B60.

So I ask myself..how long am I going to be fishing with my new system and is the extra money well spent in a transducer upgrade?

Personally, I think if I have already spent untold thousands on the hull,motor and sonar, gps, and radar plus some...

What ever extra I have spent on a quality transducer is the best money I have spent over the long run...but I fish from 20' and down to 1800' in one season.

The transducer is the eyes and ears of the sonar.

The best dollar you will spend if you want to find targets is a quality transducer...not the most expensive..but the best quality for ones fishing conditions.

Here the B60 will work just fine..the B164 will be even more sensitive and have greater flexibility if your fishing conditions ever change.

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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
It all comes down to how much quality one wants and if the price worth the upgrade.

If you never intend to fish outside the 100' depth range the B60 will work just fine.

If you want more detail and higher cruising speed while still marking targets..and the ability for deeper fishing if you choose to...then the B164 with its three elements is the better unit.
But at a higher cost.

The problem I have seen over the years is we fisherman wait until very last to choose the transducer..and often by then the finances are limited.

If the price were the same then most of us would choose the B164 over the B60.

So I ask myself..how long am I going to be fishing with my new system and is the extra money well spent in a transducer upgrade?

Personally, I think if I have already spent untold thousands on the hull,motor and sonar, gps, and radar plus some...

What ever extra I have spent on a quality transducer is the best money I have spent over the long run...but I fish from 20' and down to 1800' in one season.

The transducer is the eyes and ears of the sonar.

The best dollar you will spend if you want to find targets is a quality transducer...not the most expensive..but the best quality for ones fishing conditions.

Here the B60 will work just fine..the B164 will be even more sensitive and have greater flexibility if your fishing conditions ever change.
+1000

One of the best posts and advice I've read on THT in years!!

I've been saying that for a long time about spending a few extra $ on good electronics in general. After spendind 25, 50, 100, 200k + on your boat and motor and fishign gear.... (whatever level your boat is at), another $200 won't kill you over the next 5 or 10 years, the life of the electronics.
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Originally Posted by semperfifishing View Post
It all comes down to how much quality one wants and if the price worth the upgrade.

If you never intend to fish outside the 100' depth range the B60 will work just fine.

If you want more detail and higher cruising speed while still marking targets..and the ability for deeper fishing if you choose to...then the B164 with its three elements is the better unit.
But at a higher cost.

The problem I have seen over the years is we fisherman wait until very last to choose the transducer..and often by then the finances are limited.

If the price were the same then most of us might choose the B164 over the B60.

So I ask myself..how long am I going to be fishing with my new system and is the extra money well spent in a transducer upgrade?

Personally, I think if I have already spent untold thousands on the hull,motor and sonar, gps, and radar plus some...

What ever extra I have spent on a quality transducer is the best money I have spent over the long run...but I fish from 20' and down to 1800' in one season.

The transducer is the eyes and ears of the sonar.

The best dollar you will spend if you want to find targets is a quality transducer...not the most expensive..but the best quality for ones fishing conditions.

Here the B60 will work just fine..the B164 will be even more sensitive and have greater flexibility if your fishing conditions ever change.
I guess resale value also comes into effect. When I sell this boat will the next buyer be impressed with a mid range transducer or a top of the line? The technology is changing so quickly though I wonder what will be next and if I'm cutting a 3.5 inch hole in my hull for no good reason.
I think I'll go with the B164. Does it matter that i am "only" considering the Furuno 620 ( 600 watts) and the E7D? (dont know the wattage yet)?

I'm also looking fro a Simrad CQ33, 42 or 44 to hold me off one more season.
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Originally Posted by arich View Post
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I think I'll go with the B164. Does it matter that i am "only" considering the Furuno 620 ( 600 watts) and the E7D? (dont know the wattage yet)?

I'm also looking fro a Simrad CQ33, 42 or 44 to hold me off one more season.
No "only" about it...both are excellent units for your fishing conditions and will team with the B164 or any transducer for an excellent system.

Also..if you are considering the Furuno FCV620 the Si-tex SVS 650 is about $200. cheaper and will absolutely do the same excellent job in your fishing conditions.
plus a larger screen and a 10 page screen shot memory.

Getting the Si-tex will almost pay for the upgrade to the B164.

I have tested it head to head for a year now against the FCV620 and find it has great shallow to mid water paramaters.

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Originally Posted by arich View Post
I guess resale value also comes into effect. When I sell this boat will the next buyer be impressed with a mid range transducer or a top of the line? The technology is changing so quickly though I wonder what will be next and if I'm cutting a 3.5 inch hole in my hull for no good reason.
I think I'll go with the B164. Does it matter that i am "only" considering the Furuno 620 ( 600 watts) and the E7D? (dont know the wattage yet)?

I'm also looking fro a Simrad CQ33, 42 or 44 to hold me off one more season.
I would not mistake the price (quality) of a ducer for the application you are using it for. In 10-30' of water where you primarily fish the B60 is the appropriate ducer regardless of price. If money is no object then get the wide beam SS264. The B164 is not really the right ducer.
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I've had both transducers the B60 on one boat and the B164 on my current boat. As much as people like to justify spending more of someone else's money, I personally feel that both ducers were fine. I fished them both from 30ft to 400ft and never had an issue finding structure or fish with either ducer.
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