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Old 12-30-2003, 07:19 AM
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Would like some info on jrc ff 50 fish finder verses furuno 582L.
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Old 12-30-2003, 07:37 AM
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I have the jrc ff50 and I love it. I do a lot of deep sea fishing of the coast of New Hampshire in 250-350 ft of water. The picture is incrediable. I learned how to use the machine in my living room durning the winter hooked up to a 12v power supply. When I took the boat out for the first I turned the unit on, set the display mode set the gain and have not touched it since, this summer will be the third season with the machine. Buy it you will love it.

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I have not owned a FF-50 but I have had the opportunity to see them in use on two different boats. Of course I've played with them when they were on display as well. So its not much of a background but I'll tell you what I thought.

First off I thought that they had the screen brightness and clairity that all others should be judged by. The second thing was that I did not care much for the controls. The third thing was that something (for the life of me I can not remember what it was) about the connectors bothered me (though there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that they could be any worse than Garmin's). Anyway I liked them. That doesn't mean that I'd pick one over a 582L though if I remember the Furuno costs about $400 more, and that is the sort of news that could easily sway me. Oh, I should tell you, that for both of the ones I got to play with we were never in water deeper than 150 feet so I've only seen them in use in the 200 kHz mode, never in deep water.

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Old 12-30-2003, 03:49 PM
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quote:Originally posted by dcappotto:
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... I learned how to use the machine in my living room durning the winter hooked up to a 12v power supply. When I took the boat out for the first I turned the unit on, set the display mode set the gain and have not touched it since, this summer will be the third season with the machine. Buy it you will love it.

Dennis

So what kind of bottom structure do you have in your basement? Never mind that, how deep is your basement? And was that in simulator mode? You never touched anything after the first run? Do people in NH dump their old washers and boilers at sea? Hell of a response for a first post!


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Old 12-31-2003, 02:02 AM
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I will buy one, as they seem easy to operate and I have trouble reading manuals in english, now I have to figure out witch transducer to put on as airmar never anwsered my emails, btw JRC did even all the way from japan

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Old 12-31-2003, 05:30 AM
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A while back I was looking at a giant commercial JRC fish finder on EBay. I found the JRC website and fired an e-mail asking about the model as it was old and not listed on the website. Next day I get a phone call from Japan to answer my questions. Then... next thing I know I have an original manual for the unit in my mailbox sent to me from freakin Japan!!!! Turned out the machine went out of production 10 years before the seller claimed it was made, so I walked, but damn can you ask for better response from a manufacturer???

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Old 12-31-2003, 05:36 AM
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Marti,
Did you ask the transducer question to JRC? Those guys have been great for me about answering questions.

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Old 12-31-2003, 06:16 AM
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Marti,

I'm pretty sure that the transom mount is the same Airmar P66 judging from the model number here: http://www.bethel-marine.com/JRC_Fishfinder1A.htm

It seems that Ray, Furuno & JRC all use the P66 for transom mount on the 600W RMS FF's.
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Old 12-31-2003, 09:32 AM
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Hay Big E

What are you an asshole? Why don't you take you criticism and stick it where the sun don't
shine. Who the hell was talking to you anyway.
It figures you from NY.

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Old 01-01-2004, 02:28 AM
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Hallo cfwegman??? , whats with the name?
As you noticed JRC is very helpfull, but I can only call them in the states and maybe that gonna cost me as much as a good ducer(LOL).
I had contact in holland with a guy who said take a look on the airmar site YEH right man I studided that site for weeks and know more about transducers than every sales person I have meet in holland
As far as I know they still have no email adress.
Anyway gonna mail you after new year, want to know some things about that nice T TOP.
happy new year

greetings from holland
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Old 01-01-2004, 02:39 AM
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Guy's , thanks for the replies and a happy healty new year to you all.

dcappotto, men I don't know you, but you really need to lighten up, some of these guy's like to tease?? a little, esspecial if some doesn't introduced him self, if you lighten up a little this is a marvoulos place for a boater with much knowlidge and help, like BIG ED.
So after this said I hope we can talk some more FF 50 in the future as I have trouble reading english FF manuals

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mr.dcappoto-

Someone give you a wedgie laced with itchy powder for Christmas?

If you look at my reply, you will notice that there is a confused smiley followed by several grinning smileys. That usually means that the respondent is definitely teasing abd looking for an explanation to what was presumed to be an innocent question or two. But, maybe they don't do things like that in NH like us "bad boys" from NY do!

You have to admit that someone learning how to use a device in his basement in what I presume was simulator mode, is a little odd, particularly when you say that you never reset it once it was on your boat. Most everyone who has a FF, will throw it into manual mode and begin to play with different contols and settings just to determine what they do and how it might improve upon the different types of fishing they do. Unless, you are just going for groundfish and tuna up in NH and not necessarily trying to determine bottom texture/structure and such. Whatever!

I looked at the FF50 before I bought my electronics. I also have a friend with one on his boat, who generally does not fish in greater than 125' The display is really nice on the unit particularly in direct sunlight. As Thom mentioned it would be great if all FF were made with that type of clarity, crispness and brightness. It does not have as many settings that can be adjusted as the 582 (it is less complex, which is good), and is easier to operate. Depth ranges and gain settings are done by knob and not up/down buttons. I may be wrong, but I do not think it has A-scope, which I wanted. I was also concerned about it's "Water Resistant" rating, as opposed to being "Water Proof". It has more than ample wattage for all but the canyons. $ for $ a good FF, IMO.


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Hi Marti,
It was time to change my logon to better identify me and SMITH.
Here is the JRC address.
http://www.jrcamerica.com/PHP/home.php

Ya know I made a booboo in my earlier post.
I've realized it was JMC
http://www.japan-marina.co.jp/english/english.html
that called me from Japan and sent the original manual free of charge, not JRC. Woops.

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Ok I take back my comments. I got the machine as a Christmas gift so instead of waiting for the fishing season to start I decided to get familiar with the machine, yes in simulator mode. Also the point I was trying to get across about not having to reset the machine was to demonstrate how easy I found the machine to operate.

Big E, from what I read in you last post you seem like a very intelligent person and I would have thought that someone of that caliber would not have been confused by my post

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Not really confused, but someone else might have been! Many assumptions are often made on these forums and I assume you know what that does! And, I have been told that there is "some life behind my eyeballs!".

At times, I get into a playful mood and make ill perceived attempts at humor. I guess my first reply was one of those! No apology accepted since none was warranted.

Now that we cleared the air on that, WELCOME to THT. You will find alot of information that can be shared by some truly knowledgeable captains here.

I am still curious to know what type of fishing you do and if you really have not "played" with the FF50. The transducer would be of interest to know about as well. One of the other members, Marti, is looking to purchase that very same FF but is a liitle perplexed as to what transducer to get. He has some specific questions and problems. One of which is that he lives in Europe(Holland) and the availability of Dutch manuals and expertise is scarce.

Also, what kind of boat do you run? Motors, equipment?

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I own a 1991 22ft Grady-White Seafarer hard top with full enclosure, 200hp Evinrude ( which is in Florida as I type this being rebuilt ). Electronics on board are as follows: 1700 series Furuno Radar, Furuno GP37 GPS, JRC ff50 LCD Sounder, Raython 800 series Color Sounder (Backup Machine) , Clarion AM/FM/CD stereo with 6 disk CD changer, older Icom VHF, I think m600.

We do a lot of deep sea fishing mostly for codfish about 22 miles out of Salisbury MA. I have been doing this for about 20 years now and have to say that we do a pretty good job filling the coolers.

Getting back to ff50, I have played with pretty much all the features of this machine on the water and have found that I prefer the standard/zoom split screen. Keep in mind that we are fishing for cod (200-300ft deep) which are within a foot of the bottom so all I am interested in on the screen is what's on the bottom and maybe 10-20 above the bottom (ie bait fish). As you know the unit has a fully functional GPS built in and accepts input data from a NEMA device so for the time being I have the unit interfaced with my GPS and use the nav screens when under way. I like the screen presentation as my eyes are not what the used to be and is easier to read than the GP37. Eventually I will purchase the DGPS Sensor as this would make a great backup GPS. I got the machine with the transom mount transducer which has worked great. I have to say I have had other transducers with the speed module attached which have never worked, the one on this transducer works perfectly and is accurate with my GPS. I got trim tabs for Christmas from my wife so I will need to relocate the transducers on the transom, should be interesting.

Hope I have answered all of you questions and this info will help Marti in his decision on what machine to purchase.

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