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Old 03-07-2011, 09:52 AM
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Does anyone out there have experience with the new tilted element thru hull transducers? I am looking to upgrade from a transom mount transducer on my 23 Grady, which has marginal performance and is prone to turbulance and growth.....the tilted element units look like they have a much smaller footprint than the big bronze thruhulls with the large fairing blocks, which I may or may not be able to accomodate with the limited bilge access in my boat...thanks for the info..
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I put the Airmar ss264w tilted element last spring. Works great even works at cruise which the old transom mount would loose bottom.

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I have one. Works great up to about 15 mph then I lose bottom.
It all depends on where it's located.
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The thru the hull, tilted element transducers for your size boat will give you added sensitivity and response at higher speeds if properly installed.
Being in cleaner water always gives the sonar system an edge.
Very easy to install yourself.
Depending upon our fishing parameters, you will have a good selection to choose from.
I am seeing more and more fresh water fisherman even with the smaller aluminum boats go from the transom to a tiled element.


Here are links to someone who went from a transom mounted to a tiled thru the hull on an aluminum freshwater boat and his results...he did his own conversion.

http://imhooked.com/cgi-bin/forumsya...num=1294544472

http://imhooked.com/cgi-bin/forumsya...num=1295194085
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I've a B-60 12-20-degree bronze for a while now. I had to replace one as the face cracked and allowed water in but my new one works awesome, even at cruise and WOT.

600W is all I've needed as I'm rarely in water deeper than 300'.
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I have one on my Pursuit and i get good bottom at 20 kts and ok bottom at 30 kts. I ever get bottom at 40 kts in shallow water. Its great get one.
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They are awesome!! I have a B164 which I'll put up against anything out there paired with my GSD22.
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I went from a P66 transom mount to a B60 and am very happy. I can get excellent readings at any speed. The p66 was iffy at best.
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I installed a B60 a few months ago. I have been very impressed with it compared to all of my past transom mounts on several past boats. And it doesn't junk up the transom.
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Thanks for the info guys. I am a coastal salt water fisherman...fish the back bays in the spring (2'-10') and off the beach to 20 miles or so in mid summer. With this new rig, I now have canyon range and could see 100 fathoms this summer. I just made a deal on a Raymarine DS600X and dont want to handicap that unit with the old standard transom ducer...

Birdman..do you work at the lab? I was there for a 6-month co-op at the national synchatron light source back in 1986..pretty cool place and mastic beach was beautiful...
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Originally Posted by cgmiller View Post
Birdman..do you work at the lab? I was there for a 6-month co-op at the national synchatron light source back in 1986..pretty cool place and mastic beach was beautiful...
I assume you mean "Brookhaven National Lab"? If so, no. BUT, I was a consultant for them back in 1986, and was there full time for about 6 months also!! That's odd! I wrote some software for the Meteorology dept back then, they are still using it.
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I have a 20 degree B60 in my boat attached to a Garmin 740s. Works great all the time in forward (up to WOT). Loses bottom when I'm in reverse, but as soon as the turbulence clears, it grabs a bottom picture within a few seconds.. Installation is simple (even with limited bilge access in my boat), but you'll need a large adjustable wrench to cinch down the nut...
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I just purchased the Airmar SS264W pair (200khz wide and 50 khz wide) for the Simrad NSE12. As soon as I get it all installed (3-4 weeks) I'll post some pictures and sonar screenshots.
Should be sweet
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I use both the B60 tilted thru hull and the B744 with the fairing thru hull. Both have the same tranducer properties and are very good performers. Saying that the B744 with the fairing does provide a cleaner less turbualnt water flow past the transducer but is a bit more work to install. If you have a need for surfacre speed or have a water flow problem the fairing is the way to go. If you don't, then the B60 will work equally as well, easier to intall and is nicely flush mounted, a very big plus.
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i put one in my silverhawk and couldn't be happier. I never lose bottom, regardless of speed. The old transom mount I had would lose bottom pretty consistently when the boat was on plane.

The only caution I would offer is when installing it, pay attention to the bottom thickness - when I put mine in, I put it fairly close to the keel and the bottom thickness was quite different from one edge to the other of the hole. Ended up having to fab a shim to install on the inside so that the nut had a flat surface to mate to.
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I learned something new today about the Tilted Element X-ducers.

I have put a bunch of them in and wrote the first real write up on them here many years ago. If I remember right it got to be 8 pages long at that time.

The model you pick out you need to ask for a "mix n match".

So what is a Mix & match?

The X-ducer will have a 5ft cable on it....Then there will be a longer cable that hooks to the 5ft cable and connect to the FF model that you tell them.

I got my first non 'Mix & Match" the other day. It was supposed to fit a Furuno. Well it had a full length cable so that caught my attention and I disliked it. This made me investigate the unit farther.
It was a good thing, as the X-ducer that was sent also fit a Garmin. I can understand the confusion, as I ordered a 541 Garmin at the same time I ordered a 620 Furuno.

I would REALLY of been Pissed if I had installed it and it didn't connect with the Furuno.

It will all be taken care of.

Ringleader told me his B-164 was not a "Mix & Match". [This was a few years ago] I was disappointed to hear this, as I hadn't at that time messed with a B-164 yet and I thought that with all the B-60's that I did and they were the "Mix & Match" style, why would Airmar change this neat feature?

So why have a Mix & Match X-ducer over the other?

Adaptability is the deal.

Lets say you have a Garmin now......Then next year you want to upgrade to a Furuno.

All that needs to be done is change the cable that plugs into the 5ft cable that is on the X-ducer. No beating the X-ducer out of the bottom of the boat and destroying it.

I did that the other day. had to use a cut-off wheel just to get the nut off.

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OR, you can just change the adapter on the end of the non-"mix and match" ducer. no biggie.
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Some things about the mix and match are confusing.

The Airmar 1 KW sold thru GEMECO to their dealers are now all mix and match.... but a few of the 600w are still dedicated .

For example: The Airmar B744 is not a mix and match and the B60 if for the Lowrance will not be mix and match ....but the B60 is mix and match for other sonars.
And all P66 are still dedicated.

Also, if you get an OEM transducer from another source it may not be mix and match.
For example: A Tm260 sold as OEM from Furuno will not have the mix and match but dedicated to a single cable with a Furuno plug.

So it is possible to have a brand new 1 kw Airmar transducer and yet not have a mix and match...it all depends upon if it is an OEM or not.

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Had great performance from SS264 200khz wide connected to a ray c80 on my 23 Reg. It marked tuna very well, not the best xducer if you deep water wreck fish with its 25 degree cone.

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