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Old 01-22-2003, 05:16 AM
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Personally, I have become more & more concerned with Garmin's reputation on chartplotters.

I've been considering the 182 mono for my 22 CC, with an electronics box, but thinking of mounting on the dash for ease of reference. Have read about numerous units failing and poor response from Garmin re: service & repair / cost vs. benefit.

What other GPS/ chartplotters have others selected over Garmin's and why?

Priorities are ease of use & screen size. Price under $1,000.

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"Personally, I have become more & more concerned with Garmin's reputation on chartplotters..."

"Have read about numerous units failing and poor response from Garmin re: service & repair / cost vs. benefit."


Being a GARMIN owner (2010C) and experiencing quite the opposite, could you cite some of your references or give specific examples?

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Old 01-22-2003, 05:52 AM
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Roop: If it was April Fools Day I might understand your post.

Garmin's customer service is simply the best...I really would like to hear from people who think otherwise, but I've never heard otherwise to date.

Their products are arguably the best for the buck, but so much is personal preference so it's hard to quantify that.

I have a Garmin 182 and think it's a remarkable machine. I used other Chartplotter GPS units and believe this to be the best in it's class.


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I was stunned by your post. Garmin's reputation for, and I can confirm this from my own experience, for outstanding service and products is easily among the top five in the marine electonics industry (With Bennett Trim Tabs being number 1 and Garmin probably in there at number 2). I just can no immagine who you have been talking to that would give you the impression that there really is so much as a second choice when it comes to GPs units or GPS/Chartplotters.

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Roop,

I think the only problem that I have heard of is when the chartplotter is hooked into a black box for depthfinder features...but they do have the best custmer service and great Chartplotters.......My family has two and they work great...A buddy has had some problems with a 2010C but after he connected the depthfinder box to it..The 2010C is an awesome unit I think it is a minor problem with software communication..
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Hey guys, customer loyalty is great and I feel the same way about several products I use.

I'm not trying to cause a flame fest. I am concerned about Garmin's ability to hold up when in the open vs. in an electronics box based upon discussions with several owners. Plus, there is a cost/ benefit issue for me.

So, sorry to raise your hackles but I am interested in peoples experiences with OTHER manufacturers such as Lowrance and Navman.

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Shocked, I installed Garmins 182C six months ago and am totaly impressed with it's operation a great piece of electronics.
Roop, Where did you get your information?

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I have had problems with my 2006C/gsd20 combination, and there is currently an active post describing the problem. However, in no way should that be interpreted as a problem with Garmin tech support. They have come back and admitted that they have a software glitch and are in the process of fixing it. They have not stone-walled the issue like some suppliers that I have dealt with.
I am a little surprised that my problem seems to have been the first occurrence that Garmin has had to deal with. Anyway, someone has to be first.
I also have a Garmin 182c as a backup and it has performed perfectly.
I should also point out that I sent the 2006C and gsd20 to Garmin on Tuesday and it was back to me on the following Monday morning.
Finally, Scout boats, Yamaha engines and Garmin GPS's : you don't mess with them folks on this site.
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Thanks Gill, your comments are appreciated.

Funny, I thought this site was started because people were tired of being policed for having opinions contrary to another board's owners??

How about this for those of you who can't stand to have someone think differently than you?

I am looking for an alternative to the Garmin 182 mono for my 22 CC, with an electronics box, but thinking of mounting on the dash for ease of reference. What other mfg's/ units have others used?

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I have yet to see a member here whose user name is KRESKIN. Maybe you should give us an idea of what specifically you want opinions on.

Your initial post suggests issues with service/repair and mentions cost being a consideration. In your follow up post: "I am concerned about Garmin's ability to hold up when in the open vs. in an electronics box based upon discussions with several owners."

There are lots of members here who have Garmins, Lowrance, Navmans and other brands. Some of them have them flush mounted outside of electronics boxes.

It might have helped if your inquiry started with the issues that you "heard" or "read" about regarding externally mounted Garmins. Then asked if any GARMIN owners had experienced the same, and asked what other brands were in use in the open. You could have asked for suggestions on what would be a good unit to mount in the open that had A,B,C features and cost approximately X dollars.

And if you are dead set aginst a GARMIN, you can say that and ask for suggestions. If someone wants to think you're daft for not considering a certain brand name, screw them! At least you get some some comments or experiences to help you decide . Ultimately you are going to make your own decision anyway.

My GARMIN is an e- box overhead, so I can't really comment on durability in the "open".

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OK, last try and then I'll write off this thread...

Big E - I definitely won't call you KRESKIN... but I am starting to consider some other names

From my first post I wrote, "Priorities are ease of use & screen size. Price under $1,000."

From my third post, "What other mfg's/ units have others used?"
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Roop-

I'll save you the effort- I'm an a-- hole for not reading your first post more carefully. Sorry!

I have a dock mate who bought a NAVMAN chrartplotter last season. I think it was a TRACKER 550 or something to that effect. It's a color unit that he flush mounted on the top surface of his CC. He has a T-Top with Canvas top and the usual windscreen, so it is somewhat protected (23 ft Seaswirl). definitely a LOT more exposed than in an e-box.

I went out with him and the unit worked very well. It was a liitlke small for my liking, I think it was like a 6" screen. I am used to the big GARMIN screen. Uses the C-map chips. Redraw rate was pretty quick, it is a WAAS, and the screen was really pretty readable even in sunlight. I remember he bought some fuel management device that goes on the fuel line and inputs to the unit. That was the only problem he had with the entire unit. It was defective, but was able to return it, for a replacement that worked really well.

I think the whole set up with flush mount kit, the C-Map chip and the fuel sending unit ran him somewher about $900.00.

I can and will ask him some specifics if you want more input. You tell me!

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and I doubt that I will ever be.
I have 2 chartplotters on my boat
1 Standard Horizon CP 170, which is discounted
to less then $1,000 ($995 in some places) and it
is a FAR brighter screen then the 2006. And far and
away one of the easiest to use of the units I have used (Especially when you are plotting a course).
It ties to my Spectrum radio VERY nicely for DSC and I have nothing but happiness with the new CMAP chips. (Thank you Garmin for the price drop to keep up with the BLue Chip set).
The other is my Furuno 1850 which is Easily the match for the 2006 as a Fish Finder (Garmin vs Furuno. NO match) and the Navionics charts are Far faster then anything I have seen on the Garmin.

So There are Alternatives. And there are good prices.

Look for the Standard 170 CP to replace or use instead of the 2006.

Have a good day.

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I studied the issue for about a year and ended up purchasing a Garmin 182 for my 19' Cape Horn. It's mounted smack dab in the middle on the top of the console, somewhat protected by the windshield. I have a T-Top but haven't found the "right" electronic box just yet. But, I plan on leaving the GPS where its at. I had a hand held Magellan there for roughly three years before it could no longer take it. Don't know if the water got to it, too many 4 foot drop tests, or bouncing around in rough water. At any rate, I had to replace it.

I run charter boats and other peoples' boats as a guide/teacher. I have experience with Sitex, Furuno, Magellan, Raytheon and Garmin. I still have a functioning Sitex chartplotting GPS from early 1990.

The reasons I picked tthe Garmin:
1. Favorable reports from many websites and bulletin boards.

2. Waterproof

3. Website with regular software updates.

4. Very simple connection to your computer. (You can purchase a Data/power cable. You have to make one for a Furuno. Not a problem IF you know what you're doing). (They may have one for sale by now, haven't checked lately.

5. Plenty of websites offer excellent pricing. (Although, I got mine at the boat show in Mobile last year for the same price I was going to buy it online from Consumer Marine).

6. My tournament fishing partners boat has a Raytheon and I just plain don't like the user interface, not to mention it seems to lose signal at a lot.

I was not a Garmin person. I was more of a Furuno person with Sitex tendancies. I haven't experienced failures with any of the products I've used except for the hand held Magellan. All of them are roughly the same to use to me. I am more than pleased with the performace of my Garmin unit and would reccommend it to anyone that might mount it on a boat that gets fished hard, doesn't go home when the seas are 3'+++, and thinks that items labeled waterproof are just that.

Whatever you choose, let us know and give a good review of its performance and how you are are using it.

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I had Garmin on the phone today discussing out of warranty minor repairs on my 2006 and the not in warranty minimum repair fee was quoted to me as
$250. Pretty pricey if all you need is a connection resoldered, or a switch or knob replaced.
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How do you like the 2010C?

I will be installing the same unit on my boat.

Thanks for any info.

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I love it. I have had absolutely no problems with it. It is mounted in an e-box, so I it's almost in my face and easily accessible . Takes about 12 seconds to acquire signal on a cold boot, I have yet to lose or not acquire a signal, redraw is "eyeblink" fast,easy to navigate, daylight viewable. Blue charts are unbelievable!

Hopefully you also bought the pc interface/power supply cable. It's very handy for downloading updates from Garmin web site or saving your "hot spots" for all those secret fluke honey holes you keep showing pix of over on Noreast.com.

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Roop:
I have a Standard Horizon CP 170 with the new NT+ cartography. I'm very pleased with the unit. I think you'll find it's a servicable alternative to the garmin 182 series if you are looking for something different.

It can be had for under $1000. It's a relatively compact unit with good screen resolution, brightness and size. It can be flush mounted.

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I just ordered a Lowrance 5000C from www.boatfix.com, price $882. Everything is included. New model, should be available end of month.
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Thanks guys.

drogers - I'm close to picking up either the 5000C or the 4000M - really interested in the cusomt map features.

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