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Old 02-04-2003, 04:29 PM
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Looks like more than I expected when I bought the 182 unit and software about fourteen months ago.

I have to admit, I'm a little more than discouraged.

Comments from someone else that owns Garmin.
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Old 02-05-2003, 01:15 PM
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Don't understand your Question? If you purchased the BlueChart CD 18 months ago , it must have been a earlyer version than the current 4.01 version.What you should do is contact Garmin and ask for the upgrade to the new version 4.01 CD.They will send it along free on charge.If the area you unlocked on the old disk has not changed,you will be given a new unlock code for the new CD version, for the area you unlocked.But if the area contains updated charts/info for the area chose;you are required to purchase the new data if you want to,unless it was published within 30 days of your intial purchase data-then they will supply it for free.
This policy seams fare to me.Now if your question is about the cost to unlock a new area, it appears that all the other data systems out there- they are all close in price.They got you,thats where the money is-the software you need to run on the hardware.
Garmin has said they we try to update the chart date semi annaully.
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Old 02-05-2003, 01:22 PM
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Huh? He should take a version 4.01 CD and upgrade it to the new version, ahh, err um, 4.01???

In fact, I'll sell you an upgrade for anything of that sort.....

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Old 02-06-2003, 07:44 AM
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Sorry,

Guess I was not to explicit.

I have version 4.00 of Bluecharts. (Maybe I bought an old version initially.)

I have three regions unlocked now. Two unlocks cover my Boat GPS and one region is dulpicated as an unlock on my portable. (I rarely fish with a friend there that has no GPS on his boat.) I do also want to unlock a new region for my boat for a spring trip planned in a new region (Which regretably is immediately adjacent to one of their region dividing lines)

I checked Garmin's site about the updates to 4.01 Bluecharts because I was looking at needing an adjacent region and of course wanted current maps for both adjacent regions.

I wrote Garmin support about this. Here is their reply:

> Each region costs $75.00 to update, and additional regions are still
> > $116.65. So
> > if you want
> > to update both regions, that would be $150.00, plus an additional region
> > would be $116.65. This would bring your total to $266.65. Now,
> > this may be
> > the most important thing I will tell you about updating your
> > CD....... We
> > are planning on releasing the next version of the BlueChart CD
> > sometime mid
> > to late February. Unless you need this updated data ASAP, I
> > would strongly
> > urge you to hold off until then to ensure you have the latest version
> > (BlueChart version 5). The pricing policies and procedures will
> > all be the
> > same.

Now maybe you understand my question.

Maybe I've got bad info from Garmin??

Seems like a big chunk of money just for updated maps, and a area that is immediately next door to an existing region I have now. (Specifically the Charleston, SC area which is the "split" region.)

After all, it's not been that many months since I originally paid for my unlocks.

It's seems like a big price to pay just to stay current on map updates and get one additional adjacent region.

I do not mean to be critical of Garmin here at all. Actually I think they make the best, and I own three of their hardware products and am unlocked on several of their software products.

Maybe you have different information? Maybe I got bad information from Garmin?
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Old 02-06-2003, 07:31 PM
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All the information used in making the Bluecharts comes form USG NOAA Charts.

Just because Garmin has updated to a new cd version (5.0),does not mean the chart data for the area you have unlocked from a previous version has changed.It will have changed only if the NOAA has published a new chart for the area you unlocked,and Garmin has incorporated it the latest version.

Now Garmin may correct an area it has made errors in,and publish it as a redone area,but if the NOAA chart has not changed it's most likely to me to be of little value.

So you will need to check what has changed in the new version,and then is it worth the price to you to have the new data.
Does that help,and is a little clearer.
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Old 02-07-2003, 08:18 AM
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Do you need the updates? I asked Garmin about it a year or so ago and they told me unless I was a professional Capt. or had a specific need for the updated charts that there was no need to bother. The updates include any updates to the paper US charts. Newly charted shipwrecks, etc. There may even be NO updates to the charts you have unlocked.

Thats where I would start - find out what is changed in your regions and decide for yourself if you need the changes on the electronic version or if you can live with buying a paper chart to cover what's new.

For me, it wasn't worth another thought.

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Old 02-07-2003, 01:12 PM
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Tuna,

You said: >Now Garmin may correct an area it has made errors in,and publish it as a redone area.<

Does it cost me to get that area? Charleston, SC is an example of this. Look on your computer if you have v4,00. The maps do not overlay properly. Play around with it a little with various zoom features.

Problem is that Charleston is exactly between my previously unlocked region and the one I wish to newly unlock.

Squid,

You said that Garmin did not need to update because >There may even be NO updates to the charts you have unlocked.<

Hmmm, you might be exactly right, I guess I'll have to do some research about what the update is all about. After all, if no new charts are available, and if they have not fixed the map overlay situation at Charleston, then there would be no reason to upgrade and add the adjacent region.

My original post however stays the same. Even if deciding to update, the costs that Garmin has told me seems a little much.

Are these costs anywhere reasonable? My appologies, but it sounds a lot like Bill Gates and Intel about 1990. Sell the box, then sell the customer again on software upgrades?

I sure don't want to get behind on upgrades! That might cost me a bundle!!

Is Garmin's business model the same as Gates??

Seems like I've been here before for some reason.

$150 for upgrages? Especially after having owned the hardware and software for less than 14 months and then $117 for a new unlock???

Seems like a lot to me!
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Old 02-07-2003, 04:17 PM
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Yes it will cost you to obtain corrections to their in house errors in previous releases.

I have the same problem here the egdes of some charts do not line up at some magnification.It caused by the printed NOAA charts and some of their detaled harbor charts are more resent than the surrounding chart areas and they do not line up.It's present on some charts,in my unlock areas.

I swear it's the same way here in the northeast. The way Garmin devided the areas here is: Cape Cod is a large area but's,it's mainly Offshore to the east,the Grand Banks.It's where a sportfisher would not go.Trailer a little north and the next area would be nice to have.It's the same to the south you run into the next area.You have to give them alot of credit for the very creative way they have devided up the coastline up.I get a marine news letter and last quarter Garmins profit on sales was more than 40%,a nice piece of ROI.But not much we can do now.They have you by the balls- no i mean- charts.

It's going to take time for the software prices to drop.
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Old 02-10-2003, 03:19 PM
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Tuna 1,

That's what I thought..everything you said above.

If you want to see some nice seamless land charts look at Maptech. Their Terrain Navigator is awesome for land topos. On the computer you don't even know which quadrangle map is which. Even with four map junctions. you don't even know.

You have no mismatch between USGS topo maps at all with the above as best as I can tell.

.... But the land stuff does not move around like sand and water on the coast. Hurricanes and Nor'easters move stuff around a lot on the outside edges of the coast.

I guess the other thing is: What has Garmin upgraded...or what has NOAA upgraded?

Darn, by Garmins year-old charts, I was running on land last summer on my Bluechart map but acually was in the middle of the channel. That was a mile inshore from Little River Inlet in SC right on the ICW. (Want proof, I'll email you a track map and you can see for yourself.)

I'd be scared to death to navigate in a fog there, even the markers had been moved around of course. (or off course)

I know Garmin says not to navigate by the bluecharts, but if that's all you have, that's all you have.

Maybe all these dollars are worth it after all?
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Old 02-10-2003, 04:23 PM
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Makes me happy that I got a C-Map NT+ capable chartplotter. I get annual updates for the entire Ches and Del Bays for $79.

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Old 02-10-2003, 05:29 PM
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C-Map Plays the same game but a little differently.

The "Old" NT system is no longer being supported.

The New NT+ system replaces it and is the one that being supported with updates and incorporates new features.

Here is C-Map's "gotch you".To get all the features in the NT+ System you need new hardware (C-map produces the semi conductor chips the hardware companies need purchase to run C-map software on their machines)that run the NT+ operation system.The older NT machines will run the new + system cards but you won't be able to use the new features.

I have had C-map units since the old first DataMarine's units Which had the c-Map operation system on 1 Card and the charts on another data card the hardware was made with 2 slots. The operation system could be up graded without buying new hardware. Then it became cheaper to build the machines with the operation system built into the Hardware.Then c-map came out with a new data card that's smaller, CF-85 and so it goes they all play the games to line their pockets with our money.Been there done it before.

The MapTech system is very nice and their-arial photos of harbors and inlets is super info to have to work with. In our Info Age,info is $$$ and to have the latest info is going to cost $$$ no matter who system you have.They have all learned Intel's and MicroSoft's business plans and we all follow blindly along buying into it!!!
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Garmin says not to navigate with its Blue Charts? I just picked up a 2006 and a local blue chart...Should I not expect great accuracy??
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I might be missing a point. Garmin allows you to download the charts (NOAA) you want from the area you paid for. As with NOAA charts they are of different scales. Usually a smaller scale as you get into a harbor. These were never meant to be seemless. As you zoom in you get the maximum detail for that area as NOAA determined. I don't see this as Garmin's fault. I have the Garmin GPSMAP 76s and with 23 MB of memory I loaded in most of the charts in the "area' I selected; Nantucket Sound Area and the Islands North. The detail or map scale is the same as if I had a fist full of NOAA charts. What am I missing. As to accuracy parkersc you're OK, just a disclaimer.

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Old 02-11-2003, 08:15 AM
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Parkersc:

Just like Mumblerone said: It's a disclaimer thing from Garmin; but should not be taken lightly at all.

Anybody here will tell you that they are moving bouys, dredging channels, dealing with hurricanes and all. I guess Garmin's message is not to rely too much on the GPS map accuracy for navigation in areas where you don't have the most recent updates. (NOAA, the source people, have the very same disclaimer in terms of graranteed accuracy.)

If you set your new GPS up correctly, it should locate you within a nat's ass at about any time. The question is whether your chart database is the most recent available..which of course determines how comfortable you feel about navigating "blind" with your version of the GPS charts providing locations of bouy and depth information.

(Read here: some areas change very little over time, some change significantly due to the above parameters. Your preferred water may almost never change?)

NOAA and the Office of Coastal Survey (OCS) have a great webpage that they keep up-to-date with the latest in their maps.

A few years ago they started a new program of electronic mapping which updates the available charts within days of issue via the internet. These are free to the public as downloads. There is lots of detail there about the program and map availability.

There are a few standards that apply to equiptment that can navigate and read their most recent free charts. So far it appears the manufactures of smaller boat navigation systems (including Garmin and others) have yet to build a system that would read these free and most up-to-date maps. (Best as I can tell, you must have a full blown PC at the helm for now.)

NOAA also has a good listing on the latest revisions to their maps. After checking, I found my Bluechart version 4.0 to be considerably out of date in some areas I prefer to go.

For interested people you can HTTP//: direct to these sites:

Latest chart information at: chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/mcd/dole.htm

Free Electronic charts:
chartmaker.ncd.noaa.gov/mcd/enc/index.htm

If you read closely in some of the NOAA electronic chart FAQ's they will tell you exactly why some manufacturers have not yet adopted to this standard. The word here $$$..i.e. the Intel-Gates routine again.


Mumbleone:
I'd like to know what link you have for downloading the latest charts from Garmin and how you load them into your Garmin 76S. Are these just the Marine Point Database charts or are they the actual Bluecharts? I like free things!!


I think I opened a can of worms with this thread, and I've already taken it deeper than I probably should have to begin with. I'm going to sit on the porch on this one for a while, because I'm just a user. (I was a little upset in the dollars area for Bluecharts upgrade.)

My appoligies to all here and to Garmin if I offended anyone. As stated above, I think they make the best, and lots of others he think so too.

Bye!
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Old 02-11-2003, 10:13 AM
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Lead Head;
Thanks for the info. I dont think you offended anyone at all...thats what his forum is for. You didnt give opinions---you just gave facts. It might save someone from driving their boat onto the rocks one night. I guess bottom line is you always need updated paper charts and a good lookout. Too much faith in any one piece of electronics can be a big no-no.
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