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Old 01-11-2003, 10:22 AM
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Just purchased new 24' Hydra-sport vector and need advice on electronics. Have budgeted between $3500.00 & $4000.00 to spend on Radar, GPS, VHF and Fishfinder. Any sugestions? Would like to stay with garmin for GPS. Should I buy a combo unit for GPS and Fishfinder?
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Where you gonna take that boat? There's a way you'd do it if you were going to mess around back up in the sound or spend your time in that morass of humanity down around the Bonner Bridge. You'd be looking at different equipment if the tower's were your game and somewhat different equipment yet if you felt that the hundred fathom curve from below the point to up around the tripple zeros was going to be your home away from home.

Of course you've got a good advantage over us poor boys up here in West Virginia in that just down the road you've got Marine Electronics of the Outer Banks right just across the road from West Marine. That means you can lay hands on most of the stuff on the market and see what you like. It wouldn't hurt you a bit to go down to Pirates Cove and walk around the docks on the private side and just look and see what's being used by the smaller of those craft as well.

With all that said let me give the guideliens thogh, Garmin for the GPS, ICOM for the radio, Furuno for the depth finder, Raytheon for the Radar, and Simrad for the Auto Pilot.

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Old 01-11-2003, 11:41 AM
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Thom- boat will spend a lot of time out at the towers and offshore spring thru fall, inshore for stripers in the winter.
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I have a combo unit and love it, BUT, I would NOT suggest combo'ing the fishfinder and chartplotter. I almost always am using BOTH the chartplotter and fishfinder at same time and need them at full screens. My combo is radar and gps, and that is ok, especially since Raymarine lets you overlay the radar onto the chart.

Icom M420, great radio, $200.

Digital Antenna, $100

Raymarine GPS/Radar combo

Can't help ya with a fishfinder but make sure ya get a thru hull ducer, don't waste your time with anything else. I use the Raymarine L470 and it's fine for me, but not sure what your needs are.

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Old 01-11-2003, 12:27 PM
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I would go with the Furuno 582L (600 watts) or the SiTex CVS-832 (1000 watts). The Furuno would be my 1st choice.
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Here's my input for what its worth. Brother in law bought 23' Grady last year, just bought electronics a few days ago. I had no trouble spending his money for him, as I have been considering updating my own stuff for five years now .

Chartplotter: Garmin 2006 C (he wanted color, sorry Thom) with cartridge, and interface cable

Fishfinder: Furuno FCV600

VHF Radio: Icom 402

VHF Antenna: Digital 8'

Remote Spotlight: Guest 298-5

Standard: Fuel Flow Meter

Total price $3000.+/- (Note: does not include radar)

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Old 01-11-2003, 05:19 PM
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I like Scott's recommendations but let me ramble on a bit.

First off, I fish exactly the waters you are talking about and have been a regular there for some years now, I immagine I have passed by the 102 tower a few hundred times and I'm not done with it just yet (the 750 line is a great place to start trolling most of the early summer and fall).

First the Radar, make it last on your list. If you were looking at the charter boats from the fish center or PC over the last year and a half you'd have noticed more and more JRC antennas up there. I think there are two reasons for that. The first is their low price of course but the second is that their appearance seems to mirror the opening of MEOBX. They are fine machines to be sure and if you are in the market for a Radar you should consider them. My own preference goes to the Raytheon lineup and with the low prices you can find for the combined GPS/Radar units Raytheon makes (OK, I know, its RayMarine now) it would be hard to beat having that overlay capability. I would say this though, even if I did get one of the RayMarine units with GPS overlay I would still not consider it to be my GPS, only my backup. I would think of it only as my Radar and concentrate on other manufacturer's for the GPS.

You know what I'm going to say for the GPS. With your pocketbooks size its going to be the 2006, no question about that. You'll need a chart for it as well and I'm going to save you some heartache on this one. The chart cartridge you want is their model MUS502L. If you were to buy the small area coverage chart for your area you would be dissappointed to find out that the area of coverage stops about 600 feet east of the 102 tower. It does not extend the next 12 miles out to the stream. This chart, the 502L, which costs about $100 more, extends far further out to sea than you or I will be heading in our little boats. It is definitly the one you want no matter which Garmin GPS you choose - and you do want to choose from the Garmin lineup.

The next thing you're going to be looking at is the depthfinder. Of course you want a Furuno, nothing else will do. You do not want to be plugging in the Garmin black box for your deep water duty. Stick with the best when its costing you over a hundred bucks a day for just the basic costs, anything else is not wise. OK, back to the 600L. It is a fine machine and when you are looking for those Stripers you'll love it. If you drag spoons for Spanish off the beach you're gonna love it, when you go out to the towers for the Amber Jack you're gonna love it. When it shows you getting over 250 feet of water as you approach the 100 you're gonna love it, when the bottom drops out and you're in 100 fathoms you're gonna love it, and then when you move a quarter mile to the east and it looses bottom in the deep water (more than 1,000 feet and in fact much more very very very quickly) the love affair is going to come to a screeching halt. The sad truth is that if you are going to fish the 100 you need more power. Get the 582L. That's about all I can say and to confirm how I feel about it you can see my 600L for sale right this minute on E-Bay and you can bid against me if you like for the first 582L that shows up after about next wednesday or so (though the prices at Bethel Marine would be awfully difficult to beat).

Next comes the radio. ICOM. You pick the model. I'd go for the new 602, but you make your decision based on your own criterial.

Auto Pilot. You definitly want an auto pilot. I would buy an Auto Pilot long long before I'd sink a dime into a Radar. Here you want Simrad. With a 24 foot boat the AP-12 will take care of your needs nicely. If you hit the lottery you might want to think about the AP-11, but its not really necessary.

Next its antenna time. You know what to do there, but let me suggest something to you that you don't see often. First off the normal choices will be between the Shakespeare 5225 or the Digital Antenna 529. If its to be one of those two I'd opt for the 529 myself, its a better finished antenna although I doubt very seriously that it will work any better or worse than the Shakespeare. There are two other antennas that are of interest though and its one of them that we should speculate about. Shakespeare also mades the 5399, which is a 9'6\" two-piece antanna that can be used without an intermediate support. I use one and I like it just fine. The extra foot and a half will be good for just a slight bit more milage but it might be the slight bit that matters. Using it when it counted one day last year we had no trouble raising the Coast Guard at Oregon Inlet from 34 miles ESE of the Inlet when we needed assistance. That should tell you something. OK, the other antenna is the Shakespeare 5230. This is a 14' two-piece stick as well. I have not used one because I do not have a hard top or other structure to which I could put an intermediate support. If I had one this is the antenna I would have on my boat. I would choose it for the additonal transmission distance, and no other reason.

What did I leave out? What pieces do you want to talk about?

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Why would you buy an auto-pilot over a radar?
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Old 01-12-2003, 04:45 PM
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Because you almost never actually need radar but you will find yourself making use of an Auto Pilot virtually every time you fire up the boat. Where Paul fishes he isn't going to find a nasty fog sneaking up on him and the waters he has to navigate are poplulated by some of the most experienced and best professional captains in the country. He can follow a boat in by contacting them on the radio if he has to and then make use of their radar (there is a great deal of charter boat activity in the waters where he operates and the vast majority of those boats are radar equiped.

Then there is the part about it that no one wants their wife to see. I hate to say this in a way, because of the howls of "Safety Equipment" that it will bring, but here goes anyway. On our small boats radar is not a necessity at all, its a very nice toy but to a large extent not much more than a status symbol. You could operate a boat your whole life in in the near coastal waters of the Outer Banks without a Radar and never miss it a single bit. Even after you've had one you know that you could live without it on your next boat but no one says that about an auto pilot.

Now please understand that this is just my opnion. I'm sure there are guys who feel that life would not be complete without Radar and that they wouldn't be without it. Good for them and I hope they have one and have a good one at that.

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I spent many hours on a 23' boat traveling off shore without an autopilot. It was an afterthought last spring when I put an AP12 on the new boat. Next to the 582L, the AP12 is the most used equipment on the boat. Traveling to the 40 mile bottoms and towers is a Sunday drive once you punch in that WP No.
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Thanks for the reply. The area we fish leads into the shipping channels for the Delaware Bay. In addition to those boats, there are a fair number of tugs pulling barges. Until you see one in person, it is amazing how far back the barge is.

Re the radars, if have read and heard that people can pick up storms and even flocks of birds on theirs. Is that accurate? Maybe I need to read the manual again (yes, I am a manual reader ), but that seems like a lot of detail. We have a Furuno - I am fairly certain it is a 4kw version and I don't think it can do that.
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Thanks for the replies everyone. Thom, I already had the Garmin 2006 on my list. Glad you mentioned the 582 for the fishfinder as I had considered the 600, will probably go with the 582. I am glad you mentioned the auto pilot, never considered one as neither myself or freinds use one, but will probably forgo the radar for the auto pilot. Like you, I have been passing the 102 tower for years and can't wait to get this boat out there. Maybe will see you out there someday.
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Paul,

I am sure you will be much happier with the 582 than you would have been with the 600 for that particular application. The 600L is an outstanding fish finder, to be sure, but when you're out there in several thousand feed of water you really do want that extra power. Anyway, Give me a shout sometime in the spring, I keep my boat in KDH, back on the sound side parked on a lot we own. We'll have it down there by mid may at the latest. On the auto pilot, well, you'll see. After your first trip out you'll wonder how you got along without one, and after you use it for that long ride home it will become your most valued bit of electronics - not to mention how very useful it is when all hell breaks loose and all the rods go off at once.

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Old 01-13-2003, 04:20 PM
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Where in KDH on the sound do you keep your boat? I am also right off the sound in KDH. Would love to do some fishing together this spring. E-mail me at buske1@earthlink.net with info.
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