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Old 12-26-2003, 08:22 PM
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Already planning the next electronics pkg on the next boat. Suggestions? Do not suggest Raymarine, wouldn't touch them for any price.

Here are my thoughts so far:

GPS: Garmin 2006 or 2010(both color). There is about a $500 difference so if I have the room, probably will go with the 2010. Approx. $2500 for the 2010.

Fishfinder: Furuno FCV1100, 10.4" display and reaches deep(which I only really need for swordfishing) Approx. $2500

Radar: Furuno 1933C or 1943C. 3.5' array vs. 4' array. 4kw vs 6kw. $600 price difference, is the additional power worth it? Approx. $6600 for the big one.

I am trying to find the best prices and they all seem to be the same. Suggestions on a place to buy everything? I have budgeted approx. $10K for the hardware and installation. OK, hit me with suggestions. Thanks.

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Old 12-26-2003, 08:27 PM
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With the new boat I went from a 6" to a 10" screen . . . it was great . . . the larger screen is better as the eyes get older

Don't know about the radar though ? ? ?



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Old 12-26-2003, 08:51 PM
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Everything sounds great,but you should look into the Northstar 6000i. Good Luck

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Old 12-26-2003, 10:21 PM
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I did look at the Northstar 6000i. Unfortunately, it is a budget buster. Everything is priced separatly and the array and display are approx. $8000.00. Too much for me. I also want to keep everything separate, dedicated FF, radar and GPS. I am not fond of all in one units.

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Old 12-27-2003, 05:58 AM
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Jagsare1,
When I said the Northstar 6000i, I just use the chartplotter and don't use any of the other features.
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Old 12-27-2003, 07:49 AM
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quote:Originally posted by JAGSARE1:
Already planning the next electronics pkg on the next boat. Suggestions? Do not suggest Raymarine, wouldn't touch them for any price.

...I did look at the Northstar 6000i. Unfortunately, it is a budget buster.



Another FORMER satisfied RAY owner, I guess?

I agree with you on that NORTHSATR 6000i. It sure is nice, but unless it cleans fish and scrubs the deck, I don't see justification for the $$$. Introductory prices like anything new, IMO.

I really like your selection as, is. If you do tuna fishing a lot and want to find the birds, the 6 KW array would be a better choice. The 4' array gets you a narrower beam width which helps in target descrimination (distant multiple targets [i.e. birds]. If you have the room, the 10 inch diplay (2010C) is the way to go. I have one and absolutely love it!

You left out a transducer, unless you already decided on one. Important consideration for the unit you are puchasing.

As far as places to go, I am going to suggest THREE RIVERS MARINE or YACHT BY OWNERS. They are in the SPONSORED LINKS area here on THT:

http://thehulltruth.com/6/ubb.x?a=co...&cf=3086081844

Since they are contributing to the upkeep of THT, why not? I have heard good things about both, although I have not had personal experience. Good service and prices seem to be what you need, since you pretty much know what you want/need. They might also be able to better their pricing on a complete "package".

Just curious, what communications equipment are you going to put on the new boat?


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Old 12-27-2003, 08:25 AM
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Thanks for the suggestions, I am going to do research on the THT sponsors to see what they can do. One of the quotes I saw for the sounder said the transducer was included but don't know which one. I would like to get the 3KW if it is affordable. As far as communications, the boat already had an ICOM vhf and a SSB. It also has a workable autopilot so hopefully I won't have to buy another AP immediately.

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Jag,
Your list looks great!!!! Go with the largest open array that will fit your budget.
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quote:Originally posted by JAGSARE1:
... One of the quotes I saw for the sounder said the transducer was included but don't know which one. ...

I think it would be critical to know. I myself have never fully understood the "mystery" of what is a a "good " transducer for my application. Fortunately, I have an acquaintance who knows enough to have picked one for me, OTHER than the "OEM" that is usually packaged with "XYZ" unit. And it has worked well for my use.

In the last week, we (THT) have been the beneficiaries of some dynamite info posted by Peter Braffitt of AIRMAR.

Here is a sample of his expertise:

http://thehulltruth.com/6/ubb.x?a=tp...1&m=9376008525

AIRMAR is closed for the holidays unti Jan 5, but Mr. Braffitt has indicated that he would be available to offer explanations and opinions on Transducer functions, uses and selections. You might be able to pick his brain to see if you really need that 3 kw unit or if there is something that might work better (cheaper?) for your intended use! If you look through several of his recent postings, you might even be able to answer that question yourself!

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Old 12-27-2003, 01:40 PM
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Big E,
"what is a a "good " transducer for my application. Fortunately, I have an acquaintance who knows enough to have picked one for me, OTHER than the "OEM" that is usually packaged with "XYZ" unit. And it has worked well for my use."

Are you using your 2010C for fishfinder and chartplotter? If so, what transducer do you have?
I am using mine for both and use the ducer that came w/ the 2010C.
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Old 12-27-2003, 02:20 PM
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Sounds like a nice electronics package. My advice, for what it's worth, if you're thinking about two units and really like/want the more expensive version...get it. I regret kind of cheaping out on electronics on my boat. Tried to get basic stuff that would get us by for offshore fishing but am really really wishing for better stuff. Spending a little more now will pay off in the end when you have to buy another unit cause you've spent twice the money.

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Old 12-27-2003, 04:14 PM
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I know enough about transducers to have an idea of what I want. Always will have a thru hull ducer. Want a dual transducer although the reason is not as strong as it used to be. In other words, I need a transducer that will show the bottom in detail up to 200 feet(for those few times when I scuba dive(not to 200 ft). Then I would like to see bottom contour up to about 1500' and I need to know, at a minimum, depth up to about 2500'. I would like to know depth to 3000'. I am going to keep an eye out for prices.

A few years ago, I bought electronics from Defender at the Miami Boat Show and the prices were incredible. They took my money and had to ship the units(I had to trust they would actually do that) and they did promptly after the show was over.

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TARNOLD- I use the GARMIN GSD 20 as a backup to read depth, primarily. I have a FURUNO 1732C NAVNET with black box (simiar to the 582) that I use as my primary. For the GARMIN I have the standard issue plastic In-Hull (hockey-puck). It reads depth well, but for finding structure and even fish, it leaves a lot to be desired. Probably cused by a poor location or installation. I am considering a thru hull for next season. The FURUNO is coupled to an AIRMAR B-45 Thru hull. Unbelievable difference!


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Thanks Big E.
I'm still undecided about what to do. I have installed my 2010C and the GSD 20, but not the transducer. My questions,
do I install the transom mount I have (Garmin p/n 010-10272-00)
do I buy a new transducer
do I scrap the GSD 20 and buy a Furuno 582L


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JAGSARE1,
you indicated that you budgeted approximately $10,000 for the hardware and installation. Are you installing yourself? I'm looking at a 1953c with a furuno blackbox sounder, an Icom 502 and a clarion sound system and I can't get an install quote under $5000 which has caused me to rethink some self participation on the install. Now to be fair, that includes a separate battery bank, combiner and 12-24v converter for the 12kw radar ( which they want $1800 parts and labor for).
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cat, I will be doing alot of the install myself if not all of it. Mostly it is just a pain in the rear but doable. If I run into a problem, then I can hire someone to do that part for me. I will get quotes for installation but have found they are mostly way overpriced. 3 years ago, I was quoted $1500 to install my GPS and radar. I did both in a day for nothing but my time.

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Thanks for the reply. I think you've got the right idea. I've never installed radar before but have put in radio/antenna and used to build computers as a hobby. If I do decide to install I hope I can use you as a resource along with all the other valuable input on this forum.

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cat, the installation is pretty straightforward. The only thing that took me awhile was interfacing the radar with GPS. Alot of short little wires but the manual and some online help got me through it. In hindsight, I should have used pull apart connectors instead of permanent connectors. That way, if a unit has to be removed for a repair, you do not have to re-wire upon re-installation.

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Jags,
The 1933 is NavNet and has a charplotter. Get the BBFF1 NavNet sounder which is 1kw, and the same as the FCV1100. Then I would get a dummy NavNet 7" display and you will have a complete reduntant system with GPS, Radar, and Sounder...if something was to fail. This seems that it would give you a better reduntant system vs. having all the seperate units. Plus the NavNet is very useful for second helms/towers.
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Chris, we'll have to talk about the NavNet system. I really want 3 seperate units, radar, FF and GPS/chartplotter. Sounds like you have been doing your research also. Tell me what you know.

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