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Old 04-17-2003, 11:23 AM
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Default Standard Horizon CP170c or Garmin 182c

I'm torn between these two units. I'm going to pick one of these units up at West Marine after work today and can't decide. I figured I will let the knowledgeable THT forum members decide for me. Thanks p.s. I've done all the research on these machines already
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Old 04-17-2003, 11:54 AM
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Both good units, but go with the Garmin. I have one and it is great. Also, if you do a search, you will see that their customer service is A+

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Old 04-17-2003, 02:50 PM
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I looked a lot at the Standard Horizon, Garmin and Lowrance GPS units. I think the individual model choice has more to do with size and quality of screen. The main features are the same for every model in a manufacture's line.

One of things I tried to evaluate was the difference in the quality of the maps. Garmin uses their own Blue Chart now, which some rave about, but one man in Texas complained that it didn’t list the major fishing spots. I played with one quiet a while and all though it did not list the sites, they were there physically and the detail was great.

You can download emulators of several Lowrance units. I really like how it works. It was completely logical to me and I could easily setup it up how I wanted without looking at the manual. Lowrance uses either Navionics or their own MapCreate CD which you can download into a unit. I haven’t been able to find out if it’s really Navoinics that are on the MapCreate CD. It looks like I may make a trip to Bermuda and Navionics doesn’t have a map of Bermuda.

A friend recently bought a handheld Lowrance and the MapCreate. I offered to help him set it up, mainly because I wanted to see what was on the CD. I was very disappointed. The CD only has large blocks of areas that when you click on, is downloaded the GPS unit. You don’t get to see any detail on your computer. Seems like a complete waste of technology to me. Why can’t you zoom in and see detail on your large computer screen? He didn’t know he had to buy the cable to use it, so I didn’t even get to see on the GPS.

I played with the Standard Horizon units 3 times at the marine stores, and downloaded the whole CP170 manual. There were two things that concerned me about this unit. You have two map displays, North Up and Track Up. The display I like the best is Head Up. Track Up is close, but there are some differences. Seems like most manufactures are more likely to offer a Head Up display than a Track Up.

The other thing I didn’t like about Standard Horizon was it does not have a display that shows a heading and bearing line together. I really like this display because it enables you to accurately steer while seeing the map and where you are at on it. If I was going to use the Highway display I wouldn’t of bought a charting GPS! I read the manual thoroughly and couldn’t find anything on it. Two different people at West Marine tried for several minutes to get the display and they both can to the conclusion it didn’t do it. I won’t buy a GPS that doesn’t do it.

So for me, it’s going to be Garmin. Hope this helps.
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Old 04-18-2003, 03:01 AM
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Phisherman, what dd you decide on?
Donmoore, I purchased the CP170 last summer, but did not get a lot of practice on it. However, you've got me confused. It may just be a matter of semantics. You use the term "track". Track to me is a record of where I have been. Course is where I am heading toward. So if I change the default display mode of North Up to Course Up, how is that different from another manufacturers Heads Up mode? Secondly, (I'm not sure of this) I believe it is possible to split the display to have the highway on the bottom of the screen with the chart on the top.

The reason I chose the Standard was because of the C-Map cartography. Garmin makes excellent products, but you are locked into a proprietary product line. Regardless of what other improved products come out, unless you dump your entire Garmin investment on E-Bay, you are stuck. Having gone the incompatibility route in the PC world, I didn't want to get sucked in again. I orignally was looking at the Navman because of the dual fuel xducer setup, but on a side-by-side comparison, the Standard screen was far better.

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Old 04-18-2003, 05:21 AM
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You might want to check around for prices on either machine. I found West Marine's electronic prices to be very high.

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Old 04-18-2003, 06:31 AM
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Well I went with the CP170c, still not sure if it was the right choice though. As for West Marine, they matched the best internet price(must show proof) that I found which was $857.00. I applied for their Credit Card and got an additional 10% off to bring it 769.30 plus tax. $815.46 out the door. Does this unit have a "track Back" feature? In other words, return the way you came. Thanks
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If you look in section 3.2.1 of the manual you will see that you can display heading (COG) & bearing (BRG) on the chart screen. It's easy to edit and change what you can and can't display on these screens. I'm not surprised the guys at West Marine could not figure it out. I agree with Lobsta1 that track up on other units is probably the same as course up. I have a CP150 and have been happy with it but wish I had the color version. I also like Garmin but decided against the blue chart as it's proprietary. I can use C-Map with other units if I get a new boat etc. and I'm not locked into Garmin. Another recommendation is C-Map's PC Planner NT. IMO it's a great product and very functional.
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Old 04-18-2003, 11:26 AM
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Go Garmin, faster procressors and a little easier to use, the joystick on the Stanards can be hard to control at times.
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Old 04-18-2003, 11:47 AM
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When i did a side by side, i found the CP170 was faster than the Garmin.
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I have a cmap jupiter to lauderdale for sale for the 170 $50.00. never used I bought a wide instead.

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Old 04-20-2003, 03:16 PM
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lobsta1 and fish_on,
Your right, I meant Course Up rather than Track Up. The difference for me between Course Up and Heads Up, is when I choose to deviate from the course for awhile. Heads Up turns the display the direction I am going. If you don’t deviate it should be the same. Probably a small difference.

I will definitely look at 3.2.1 on the Standard Horizon manual. Thanks for the info.

One thing I don’t get is the assumption that Garmin is proprietary and C-Map is not. If you get a C-Map unit, you are lock into to C-Map forever just like Garmin Blue Chart. The reason why Garmin was able to abandon Navionics is, because they had enough marketshare to do it. Garmin is doing so well that I can’t image them going anywhere within the life of a GPS unit. By then your going to want an updated map anyway.
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Old 04-21-2003, 05:19 AM
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Donmoore, I guess what I'm saying is that if I have blue chart I can only use Garmin electronics to view the chart. If I have C-map I can use Standard, Raymarine, Furuno and a few others if I'm not mistaken. Therefore, I guess you could say the C-map chips are "less" proprietary as they work with multi-vendor electronics while blue chart will only work with Garmin electronics.
I'm in agreement that I think Garmin will be around for a long time.
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