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Old 10-15-2003, 06:00 PM
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I need a recommendation. I have a 26' Pursuit with Hynautic steering and twin 200 HP Yamahas. I want to install an autopilot, and want some recomendations. Some key points:

1) I know the Simrad AP11 is awesome, but it is also over $2 grand, I was hoping for a little cheaper.

2) The Raytheon ST5000 is a piece of shit that turns the boat hard over every time it is rough. My Dad has one, not for me.

3) Integration to my other electronics is not important, I will probably hook it up stand alone.
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Old 10-15-2003, 06:23 PM
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Ask yourself this question:

How much it is worth to be able to trust a piece of gear to steer the boat when running 25-30 kts?

I would not cut corners on an autopilot anymore then I would for brakes on a car.

Get the AP-11.
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Old 10-15-2003, 07:01 PM
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Thank you for the useless response

Anyone else have experience with some of the other brands out there (SiTex, the Simrad AP12, etc...)
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Old 10-16-2003, 06:55 AM
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I have a Simrad AP14R which I installed this year on my boat, and installed on 2 friends boats as well.
My boat is a 26' Striper W/A cuddy w/ a V/P DP i/o,
1 Buddy has a 20' Trophy WA Cuddy with a Suzuki 140 O/B
1 Buddy has a 28' Sea Sport WA with a VP I/O.

These units have performed near flawlessly on all three of these boats this year. Install taked one guy 2 - 3 hours for the Rotary steering unit(a few longer if you need to pull a new cable). Have not used the hydralic model. Shipped to my door I paid right around $1100. We, all three, put in 200+ hours each on the Great Lakes tournament salmon fishing this year.
Simrad customer service was great for answering any questions as well.
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Old 10-16-2003, 09:23 AM
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John if you want I am having a Simrad Ap12 installed as I type. The boat is a 31 Contender should be picking it up tomorrow and in the water by Sat. will post an update to you as to the results. I do think however I would not go to cheap on an autopilot system. I think you would be dissapointed in the long run.
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Old 10-16-2003, 10:02 AM
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I have heard good performance from Sitex which has the 1k price point.

Navman came out with a new model and I believe brunswick (??) bought the company, so not sure about price of where they are going.

For that market it sounds like the Simrad lower model or the Sitex.

Good luck
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Old 10-16-2003, 11:42 AM
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The AP12 is one of the ones I have been eyeballing, and it has a 12-1400 price point. The Sitex is slightly cheaper but around the same money. The AP-11 is almost double, hence I am checking out these alternates.

Let me know how that AP12 works, especially in rough water.
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I have been using an AP-12 on our boat, a 23' walkaround with a bracketed 200 Suzuki (single) on it for 3 years now. It has never so much as hickuped with one exception. The control unit on mine is mounted right in the middle of the dash and like damed fool I wasn't a bit careful about hitting it directly, from just inches away, with the pressure washer at the local car wash. The result was predictable, the seals could not handel the water pressure, and so water got in the unit. Of course it failed immediately. Simrad replaced it immediately and then the warranty elapsed a week or two later.

When I bought mine I paid just under $1,000 for it. I had the impression they could still be found for close to that price.

Now let me tell you something about auto pilots. You could steer the Queen Mary with an AP-12, no problem. All you'd have to do is buy a much larger pump for it. And that is the point. The control heads and brain (many units have a separate CPU) of the units are what define the features the unit has but it is the pump size that controls how large a boat you can use the unit on. The pump that comes with the AP-12 is a hefty little mother, it should handel your boat, particularly if you are using a tie-bar to steer the second engine while using a single hydraulic cylinder. If, on the other hand, you have two hydraulic cylinders it doesn't mean that the pilot wouldn't steer it, the thing would, the question is how fast would it steer it and would the speed be great enough to offset outside forces trying to move the boat around. Simply put that pump will steer a double cylinder steering system half as fast as it would a single cylinder system that used a tie-bar. So you might want to give Simrad a call and make sure you're OK, and I think you will be either way, but you should understand what it is you're getting into.

On, on the installation, you can do it yourself easily.

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Right on, Thom. The ap12 uses a 60 cu-in/second pump and the ap11 uses an 80 with the capacity to put on a 160 for larger boats.
I know my ap11 with the rpu-80 works full time holding course in messy, following seas. My steering is a single teleflex cylinder with a tie-bar connecting 2-Yami 150s. I am not sure what would happen with a 25% smaller pump. Probably end up with a few "FAIL" messages.
John, for your boat, and regardless of the cost, the ap11 is the way to go.
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Old 10-16-2003, 04:22 PM
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Mine is a single cylinder unit with a tie bar.
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OK, then you should be in good shape. Now, don't quote me on this but as I recall you should have a steering system that is rated for up to 500 hp and is operated by a helm unit that has a 1.8 cubic inch pumping capacity. I think, as I recall from a long time ago that the AP-12 is rated as being appropriate for steering systems up to 2.something cubic inches, maybe 2.3 or something like that. So it would appear to me that you are covered just fine. Now I might be looking at that wrong, and if I am I'm sure someone will pipe in and explain how it should be determined to both of us. I'd certainly like to know if there is another way to get a feeling if an autopilot is suitable for an application.

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Old 10-16-2003, 04:54 PM
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My Hynautic system is a little different than the SeaStar systems. The reservoir is not built into the steering column, it is a seperate tank, and it is also pumped up to an air pressure of around 20 psi.
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John,

I can't address the Hynautic steering, but I have an AP-12H on our Grady White Islander 270, with a single 250HP Yamaha and SeaStar hydraulic steering.

Installed it all myself last winter.

Works great, at troll, cruise, or WOT.

Interfaced to GPS, so follows to waypoints, or routes.

No doubt the AP-11 would be more powerful, but I think the AP-12 is sufficient.

Lots of good info and tech specs on the Simrad web site. Also, their tech support is great, so give them a call to ask about using their systems with your Hynautic steering.

Good luck,
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John
You ask for a recommendation, Troll gives you one ,then you attack him. Whats up with that? I also noticed that you do alot of posting, so why don't you join the captains club and help support the site instead of just being a freeloader!
Oh yea my vote is for the AP-11, awesome unit.
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My original posted already stated my knowledge regarding the AP-11, Troll is just that a TROLL.

I actually do not do alot of posting, just been a member of the board since DAY ONE. I also help run another board, www.spearboard.com, for spearfisherman, that is enough.
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That was a very classy response to my sincere advice which you requested. Good job at making new friends.
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MY bad on my earlier post the unit that is being installed on my Contender is a Simrad AP1112/RPU160 when I saw you guys talking about the price of the AP12 I new I had missed something or I had the shaft put to me without being kissed.
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What did they charge for installation labor? They are getting about a grand down here.
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I am being charged one grand, but that also included the install of a optional rate compass. Suppose to really improve the performance with it.
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Just thought I would let you know the AP1112 is awesome I would highly recommend. John when I was all through the total including install was 3400.00 I think a lot of that has to do with the size of the boat. I had to buy the bigger RPU and stuff. I think the lesser one AP1111 is a couple of hundred less. Good Luck
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