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Old 06-01-2010, 02:34 AM   #1
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Default Suzuki NMEA 2000 Network + standard Suzuki gauges - it can be done!

IMPORTANT NOTE January 2017:

I have now prepared a document that details the whole "how to" of setting up a Suzuki NMEA 2000 network. This will save you having to read all the history through this thread and brings things up to date.

The current update is at August 2016.

Please follow the link below to my thread on this topic on the Suzuki Outboards forum, or if you prefer, the direct link to the document in Dropbox. Both are the same document.

The document I have written includes all you need to know about linking your Suzuki DF outboard to a NMEA 2000 network on your boat. Better still, it includes links to the parts and supplies you need, and other resources including photos. But note that part numbers can change so check with your dealer for the current part numbers!!

Dropbox links - you need to sign in to dropbox - create a user account, it is simple, quick and free:

Complete document on "how to":
https://www.dropbox.com/s/qo6nfc7oby...02016.pdf?dl=0

Suzuki forum link to same document: Note: you need to be a member of the Suzuki forum to access this next version:

http://www.suzukioutboardforum.com/s...-networks.html

Below are dropbox links to the Suzuki engine interface update files for those who need earlier versions to get fuel flow right. These files cannot be opened, they are software update files and must simply be downloaded and copied to a SD card so you can then upload them to your network.

Suzuki interface software

Version 3.5.0 for engines newer than 2013
https://www.dropbox.com/s/k2yy0h3os3...R550R.LUF?dl=0

Version 2.9.0 works with most engines up to 2013, but not the early engines pre2007 https://www.dropbox.com/s/xpfrk9v4im...2.9.0.luf?dl=0

Version 2.5.0: (works with most engines up to 2011 year) - https://www.dropbox.com/s/062veyt36u...2.5.0.luf?dl=0

Version 2.30: (works with engines 2012 - 2007 and earlier where v 2.9 pr 2.5 not successful:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/njqpi5t22e...0_UPD.LUF?dl=0
(Note V 2.30 must be manually configured, where the others auto-detect the engine they are connected to. You need to use a Suzuki SMIS gauge, Lowrance HDS or Simrad MFD to do the configuration.)

SMIS gauge update files
Version 2.5.0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/gkfxyz7p91..._v250.luf?dl=0

Version 2.6.0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oh36a2jf21..._v260.luf?dl=0

Version 2.7.0 (latest recommended for 2013 and newer engines)
https://www.dropbox.com/s/997yftb362..._v270.luf?dl=0

Instructions on how to upload these software versions to your Suzuki interface are included in the FAQ section of the .pdf document that is below.

Hope this helps!!

Further update as at 1/17:
Note to users of Suzuki's OEM colour display supplied outside USA:
There are two versions of this gauge -
Part # 34200-96L00 this gauge does not share engine data across the NMEA 2000 network, it only receives data (GPS).

Part # 34200-96L10. This is the version to use if you want to share engine data with other MFD's on the network. In fact it is recommended that you install this version rather than the other one in all installations, in case you want to network it with other instruments later.

New Suzuki Engine Interface cables released in 2016 Important message! (Posted July 2016)

The new interface cable versions that have part numbers ending in -290 or -350 cannot have their software versions changed to earlier versions that suit earlier engines as indicated above.

So if you need to use an earlier version (eg with engines 2009 and earlier in particular) you will need to find a dealer that can supply the old version cable that is downgradable to V 2.5 or lower. Not many have them, it seems.

So far, I can only find 1 US Suzuki dealer that seems to be able to supply these cables : International Marine, Florida. Google and you will find them.

Suzuki Interface cables for pre-2010 motors available now!!

I know that in the US it getting very difficult to get the programmable Suzuki Engine Interface cables that work with the older Suzukis.

These are the cables that can have their software version flashed to whatever version works with your older Suzukis, mostly those pre-2010 model years that need to run interface software Version 2.30 or 2.5.0 in order to work properly.

I spoke to my local Suzuki guy here in Australia today. He is the dealer principal at Bayside Suzuki Marine, i have known him for 15+ years. Suzuki master level technician too.

He can still get NEW Suzuki interface cables that are programmable, and he can flash them to whatever version you require before sending them. The cost here is quite a bit more than the US however with the exchange rate in your favour, it may well work out pretty reasonable, especially for a brand new cable.

He sometimes also has used cables available after he has done repowers, because the new Suzuki digital gauges here in Australia do the same job as the interface cables, so they are not needed on new installs.

Here is his website contact page. Send inquiries direct to him, and mention that I recommended him.

http://baysidesuzukimarine.com/contact/

Moonlighter - AKA Grant

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Old 06-01-2010, 06:35 AM   #2
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Thanks, I knew this connection was possible but I've not been able to find out which plug is used. So please post which plug and where to source it.
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thanks, please post which connector is to be used and cable ? what else is needed
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Old 06-02-2010, 01:28 AM   #4
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Hi guys

Here are the things you'll need, some photos to assist.

First, the plug you'll need to change can be found at this link. It is the 4 position plug - click on this link and scroll down a bit and you will see it, it is part number 4P090WP-HM. Comes in a set with both halves - but you'll only use the large plug.

http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/El...-HM/sm-hm.html

I think if you ask them they will fit the pins into the plug for you for a small fee, but its pretty easy to do yourself - see the instructions at the bottom of the page linked above.

This first picture below is the Suzuki adapter cable that you have to get for 2008 and later models, you attach this to the end of the Suzuki engine interface cable. I got this cable and my interface cable from Brownspoint Suzuki - see:

http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....id=990C0-88034



You will cut the small square plug off the end of this cable and replace it with the plug listed above.

This next picture shows the small plug that is cut off beside the larger one you will replace it with.



This next picture is the critical one - this is how the wires need to be wired to the new plug - it is shown plugged into the diagnostic port on the engine.

That's about it!



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Old 06-02-2010, 01:49 PM   #5
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Thanks for the details.

Correct link for the connector:

http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/El...-HM/sm-hm.html
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Old 07-15-2010, 04:14 PM   #6
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Thank's for the info I have been onto Suzuki Australia and Navico and no one could help the only thing I was told by Suzuki was that they are getting some leads made locally and will a few months away.
I ordered the end plug yesterday and will see how it goes, I'm also going to cut of the big plug
and the trim cable and fit it straight to the Suzuki engine interface cable because I don't need
the trim.
Now to wait for the plug and see how it goes and thank's again for the info should be what I needed.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:20 PM   #7
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The plugs from Eastern Beaver in Japan arrived in my mailbox in Norway only 3 days after ordering. I selected the EMS shipping option.

But I don't think I need the plugs since the engine interface cables with the new plugs are now available from Brownspoint.


http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....id=990C0-88134
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Old 07-22-2010, 07:52 AM   #8
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After inspecting the new cable the conclusion is that the an adapter or a new connector is needed.

I've made an adapter using two male connectors (female housing, male pins) according to Moonlighter475 documentation above. I'm going to test the interface this evening.
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Old 07-22-2010, 03:36 PM   #9
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Thanks Moonlighter475, the interface to my 2010 DF175 is now working,
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The plug from Eastern Beaver hasn't arrived yet so I did a mod today just to see
if it will work.
What I did with the old Suzuki Engine Interface cable was remove the wires with the
male pins still on them from the big plug and cut the trim off as I'm happy with the
analogue one, so I connected the wire like this-

Interface cable --- Suzuki Outboard

White ---------- Orange/yellow stripe
Red ----------- Grey/red stripe
Black ---------- Black

Worked like a bought one got all the data showing on the HDS now once the fitting
comes from Eastern Beaver all I have to do is push the wires in and plug in onto the
outboard to make it neat.
So you don't need to buy the K8 adapter.
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I received the connectors from Eastern Beaver two or three days after ordering. I selected EMS shipping when ordering.
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So then you just connect to your NMEA 2000 network and you can view engine data on your MFD or Lowrance LMF gauges? And your analogue gauges will still work with alarms, etc.?
Wow!
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Guys,
I have the problem the other way, I have a Suzuki 2001 that i have purchased a 4" guage to be able to read out data from my engine, but with the guage the cable to connect to the engine hade the 4 pin square connector, and my engine has the bigger round connector.
Does anyone have the information how to connect the 4 wires from the square connector into my round one on the engine?
All help is very welcome
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Old 07-24-2010, 12:10 AM   #14
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Hi all

Just thought it would be worth a follw up post re this.

Thanks for your "thanks" - happy to share my experiences with you, that's the great thing about these sites - we all share and learn from each other.

My network between the Suzuki 115 and HDS 5's is working fine, except for the fuel flow calibration issue that I have mentioned in another thread. Hopefully I'm close to sorting that issue out, and thought that it might help others to share what I have learnt in the process.

1. You really must connect the engine interface cable into the network directly into a T piece - do not plug it into a long extension cable (mine was 15ft) and then into a T - that will be too long, causes voltage drop issues and all sorts of data gremlins can then occur. I am reliabely informed that the "drop" from a device to a network T should be less than 6m long (approx 19ft). It is OK to put such an extension cable between T's, though.

2. When you go into the network bus menu on the HDS to set up the engine year and HP, do it with the engine running or with a battery charger charging the battery. Apparently having really solid 12V + voltage is necessary for these settings to be retained in the engine interface's memory properly. If they aren't retained your fuel flow readings on the HDS will be badly wrong. That's what happened to mine, I think. I think the same advice would apply when setting up the LMF400 or 200, too.

I eventually un-configured the Suzuki interface and then re-configured it from scratch. Lost fuel used to date and all trip log details, but engine hrs still there.

Martin - re setting up a NMEA 2000 network to the older 2001 Suzuki - first you'd better check if that year and model Suzuki is NMEA 2000 compatible/certified. But if it is, I think that the adaapter cable that I used (adapts Suzuki round connector to square plug found on newer models) should sort the problem. It is shown in the pic in my first post above. Lots of good info on this stuff can be found on Blue Heron Marine's website.

Cheers

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Engines older than 2004 can't use the engine interface.

It is correct that according to specifications no NMEA 2000 drop cable should be longer than 6m.

Since the same cables are used both for backbone and drop the voltage drop will be the same wherever the extension is placed. The communication will be affected differently by an extension placed in the backbone or in the drop.

I have two boats with NMEA 2000 networks and Suzuki engine interfaces and both networks are stable. I'm not using Lowrance cabling. I have selected to use Maretron and Airmar due to connector and cable quality, but I would not be surprised if these two vendors also have better electrical properties in their cabling than Lowrance.
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So then you just connect to your NMEA 2000 network and you can view engine data on your MFD or Lowrance LMF gauges? And your analogue gauges will still work with alarms, etc.?
Wow!

A couple of pics sorry not very good ones but you will see what readouts I'm getting.

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A few more questions for you guys,

Which Suzuki cable did you ultimately end up using, the 990C0-88134 or the 990C0-88034? I noticed that Brownspoint now includes the "88134" cable with their 4" gauge kit http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....90C0-88101-K01 for 2008 and newer Suzuki engines.

Does the "88134" cable eliminate the need for the "88034"? Are there any other "Suzuki" cables needed prior to connection with the NMEA 2000 (blue) network? I have twin 2008 DF150's and plan on viewing engine data on my HDS-10.

Also, if anyone could advise where does the large round (female) plug go? My boat is in storage and I was hoping to order the parts without making a trip.

Thanks so much for your help on all this. I am looking forward to keeping my existing analogue gauges and having fuel use information available.

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The plugs from Eastern Beaver in Japan arrived in my mailbox in Norway only 3 days after ordering. I selected the EMS shipping option.

But I don't think I need the plugs since the engine interface cables with the new plugs are now available from Brownspoint.


http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....id=990C0-88134
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You have mixed up the product codes, what you call 88034 is 88035. 88134 is the engine interface for 2008 and newer engines, 88034 is the engine interface for 2007 and previous. The round connectors where used on 2007 and previous engines. 2008 and later have square 4 pin connectors. 88035 is used to adapt 88034 to 2008 and later engines. But the problem is that the engine service port connector is identical to the 88134/88035 connector, both have female pins. To be able to plug this connector into the the engine a connector swap or an adapter cable is needed.

For those which are not experienced in electrical connections buying a 88135 is probably the simplest solution. According to what I've read the pinning of this one is also wrong, but this can be fixed doing a pin swap or by cutting and splicing two of the wires.

88135 Adapter

Where to plug the connector into your engine is described in the installation instruction of 88035. The link is found below the picture of the adapter.

88035 Adapter

When using 88134 together with a blue Lowrance NMEA 2000 network a Red (Black) to Blue adapter is needed.

Red to Blue adapter
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A few more questions for you guys,

Which Suzuki cable did you ultimately end up using, the 990C0-88134 or the 990C0-88034? I noticed that Brownspoint now includes the "88134" cable with their 4" gauge kit http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....90C0-88101-K01 for 2008 and newer Suzuki engines.

Does the "88134" cable eliminate the need for the "88034"? Are there any other "Suzuki" cables needed prior to connection with the NMEA 2000 (blue) network? I have twin 2008 DF150's and plan on viewing engine data on my HDS-10.

Also, if anyone could advise where does the large round (female) plug go? My boat is in storage and I was hoping to order the parts without making a trip.

Thanks so much for your help on all this. I am looking forward to keeping my existing analogue gauges and having fuel use information available.

If your motors are 08 or newer then you will need the 88134 and you wont need any other adaptors and if you don't have a network already then you will need the starter kit and maybe an extension cable depending on the length of your boat and that will connect you to your HDS.
The large plug was on my old interface cable that's why I modified it so I didn't have to buy a new cable you DON'T need the 88034 cable that is for Suzuki engines 07 and OLDER.
If you want to use your HDS like I have you don't need the 4'' gauge and kit.
I hope that makes sense and I haven't confused you, do you already have a NETWORK?

NOTE that this is for single engine


http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....id=990C0-88112
http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....id=990C0-88107 these come in different lengths
http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....id=990C0-88113
http://store.brownspoint.com/detail....id=990C0-88114

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Got my fitting today so this is the finished product from using my old Suzuki Engine Interface cable and no K8 adaptor.


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